The Uncertainty Principle

[Mr. Nobody]

Actually interference would spawn decoherance and the double split interference wave pattern of the electron paths would not exist at all.

[Brian Jakub]

Mr nobody,

The aether is a perfect fluid made up of particles. As an electron moves through it, it leaves a wake in the fluid like the waves behind a boat. It is the wake moving through the slit as it disturbs the sea of particles tha make up the aether, that we observe as an electron following more than one path.

Brian

[Brian Jakub]

Early Universe was Liquid-like, Study Suggests
By Matt Crenson
Associated Press
posted: 18 April 2005
05:32 pm ET
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Brian

[Mr. Nobody]

If the electron was and always is at one location why is the presence of an observer destroying the wake wave of the electron through the aether? Why is there not always a wave interference pattern when the electron is sent through the double slit (remember observing which slit it goes through destroys the wave interference pattern)
The electron does not possess a unique location or unique momentum because the electron does not exist as an entity. The electron exists as a wave only, if we preserve coherance by proper isolation from observation. Atoms, fliuds and even solids have been produced by preserving coherance. Uncertainty is not an illusion nor a problem with measurement, it is a reality

[Brian Jakub]

Mr Nobody,
(remember observing which slit it goes through destroys the wave interference pattern)
How did you observe which slit it was going through?

I think the aether is made up of electrons grouped into groups of four to form a specific shape. I think that shape can be represented by warping the energy of the ether into four particles, or balls of equal size placed in the shape of a diamond touching each other, called a virtual particle. Every ball is spinning at the speed of light with opposite balls spinning in opposite directions. Two balls opposite each other must orbit each other at the speed of light on a reference axis running through the center of the other two balls. Every reference axis, of every virtual particle is in a 90-degree reference to all other reference axes in the ether except where it is warped by gravity and magnetic fields. Every pair of virtual quarks is orbiting around a reference axis in the opposite direction to the pair of virtual quarks in the virtual particles next to it. This allows all virtual particles to interlock like gears. But unlike gears that spin on one axis, the quarks of the virtual particle are pumping around each other on two axes, and interlocking like gears in a three dimensional matrix.
As a single electron enters this matrix it will seek out three other free electrons or virtual quarks to build another virtual particle of aether. Nature abhors singularities. build it will find them but in the mean time its momentum absorbs ito the aether and it disappears.

But since the electron traveling through the aether is the same particles the perfect fluid of the aether is made up of, Its path will follow the patterns of fluid dynamics.

If we could remove all warping and outside influences on the interlocking particles that make up the fluid of the aether and the matrix became virtually rigid the electron would follow the same path every time and only one speck would appear on the screen. Unfortunately I don't think there is any where in our universe where the are no electromagnetic waves or gravitational fields.

Brian

[Mr. Nobody]

Brian, you need to read more about quantum mechanics.

There has been done such exhaustive research, using beam splitters and "which path" detectors that can be turned on and off to detect which slit the "electron" went through. All kinds of non perturbative assemblies to "trick" the system to reveal information have been devised only to arrive at the same result: Turning these detectors on and getting information of the actual path destroys the wave interference pattern, turning them off restores it promptly.

[Brian Jakub]

Mr. Nobody,


That's what I figured, That's why I was asking how did you observe the slit? I wanted to know how the detector worked. I will search for info unless you could tell me where to read.

Brian

[bsaucer]

about measuring the speed and position of a car, can you measure it to within a fraction of a wave cycle? The car isn't solid. It's made of tiny waves, and collectively, these waves add up to what looks like a solid object, but there are still microfine waves. The wavelength is extremely short, but the frequency is extremely high.

[bsaucer]

How I understand the uncertainty principle:

Let x and t be position (in meters, or whatever units you choose) and time (in seconds, or whatever units you choose). Let dx and dt be their uncertainties.

Let f and k be frequency (in cycles per second) and wave number (in cycles per meter). Let df and dk be their uncertainties. (k = 1/lambda, where lambda is wavelength)

I'm not sure how it's derived, but there is an uncertainties between their quantities:

dx * dk >= 1/4pi wave cycles (or 1/2 radian)
dt * df >= 1/4pi wave cycles (or 1/2 radian)

So far, all of that was pure math/geometry. Now let's add "matter".

Let E and p be energy and momentum. Let h = Planck's constant, and h-bar = h/2pi.

According to the quantum mechanics:

E = hf
p = hk

multiply both sides of the uncertainty inequalities by h:

dx * d(hk) >= h/4pi
dt * d(hf) >= h/4pi

Substitute terms:

dx * dp >= h-bar/2
dt * dE >= h-bar/2

Side note: We talk of uncertainty between position and speed. Actually, the uncertainty is between position and momentum. Perhaps it's the mass, rather than the speed that is uncertain. If a particle is very short-lived before it decays, there is indeed an uncertainty in it's mass.

A particle at rest still has a frequency of some sort, as though it were spinning in place. It's rest mass is hf/c^2

If an electron's angular momentum is h-bar/2, and it has mass m_e, then it's frequency is m_e * c^2 / h... Can we derive it's radius from this, as well as its linear speed along its radius?

The electron's angular momentum is fixed at h-bar/2, then it's angular position (phase of rotation) is completely uncertain. I wonder if we can measure its phase, causing its angular momentum to become uncertain?

[damccut]

The Uncertainty Principle is merely a way of describing how it is impossible to pin down all of the aspects of subatomic matter, because light must be used to do it, and when you use light it interacts with fermions. It is impossible to explain it without having something like ultrawaves to make it all logical. (see ultrawavetheory.com) I'll try to condense it.

Because all matter particles are spinning at light speed and the components are spinning at a velocity that is nearly a squared value of the SI unit numbers, it is simple to understand that when a particle is jostled too hard, such as by a photon (that also has mass by the way) then it moves about at light speed until it recovers its natural spin. (Temperature also comes into play here.) When what has been labeled as the strong force is overcome then the matter generating waves move at the higher velocity mentioned above to move at what seems to be an instantaneous placement relocation, which also explains why entanglement is possible. Every fermion and boson are composed of the same mass-carrying waves, so they all have mass. It is just that some of it can't be measured simply because it is moving at light speed. That is the only thing that Einstein got wrong about relativity, that there were two types of velocities to deal with, and only one of them has anything to do with changing mass values. Essentially, it is a secondary velocity that is applied to matter particles apart from their usual rotation at light speed, and it is measured relative to other matter particles. The reason you can't accelerate something to light speed is that part of it is already traveling at that speed and would have to overlap itself to accomplish it.

Mathematically, ultrawave theory works perfectly to describe the magnetic and electrosatic behavior of particles, so I know that it is correct. My latest discovery that the 4pi x 1E-7 value of the magnetic constant, while simultaneously explaining the value of Newton's G in his gravity equation, is achieved by setting the ultrawave velocity at approximately 8.95E+16 m/s, was the icing on the cake that made this a true TOE first step.