[dleviwing]

Care should be taken when interpreting the science jargon. In QM the many worlds refer to interactive systems. For example: an atom is a “world system”; protons are also “world systems”. I think many people tend to interpret the words used by science jargon much too literally.
A parallel universe is like saying that there are aggregates of “world systems” that are not observable but may exist within ordinary matter.

[dipayankar]

String Theory does eventually lead to branes and then multiple branes (now I even hear of antibranes whew...). This means that multibranes could lead to Parallel Universe..

Originally Posted by neutralino Well, first you need to define "parallel universe" in this sense. How does the "maths of string theory" point to this possibility? What maths are you talking of? Perhaps you mean the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics? Well yes, these are good points.

[N0B0DY]

I think, as Dave pointed out, that the universe implies one versus (one time) with all the worlds and branes wrapped up into one. The observed universe is part of a half truth, with the other half being its antipart moving backwards in time - we can only move through time, one direction at a time.

So the branes would be dimensional extensions - 1d brane for each time interval, 2d branes for optical structures, and 3d reality when combining. Yet, pairing both directions of the brane structures, at the same time, results in a static universe neither moving forward nor backward as time.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Originally Posted by Graybeard No telescope can ever peer into it.

Dear Graybeard,

I have come up with a theoretical design for a new kind of telescope. Imagine a system of mirrors that are all spinning, or moving, and imagine that there is a path set up between these mirrors for light to travel. Now imagine that each one of these mirrors is moving at approximately half the speed of light, but that the distance between the mirrors is growing at faster than the speed of light since there are multiple mirrors. What would happen if you were to look through these mirrors? Also, imagine that the mirrors maybe accelerating at a great rate. What would happen in this case?

[neutralino]

Originally Posted by purveyor of knowledge Dear Graybeard, I have come up with a theoretical design for a new kind of telescope. Imagine a system of mirrors that are all spinning, or moving, and imagine that there is a path set up between these mirrors for light to travel. Now imagine that each one of these mirrors is moving at approximately half the speed of light, but that the distance between the mirrors is growing at faster than the speed of light since there are multiple mirrors. What would happen if you were to look through these mirrors? Also, imagine that the mirrors maybe accelerating at a great rate. What would happen in this case?

I don't see the relevance of this comment to the thread; no matter what you do with mirrors, you cannot change the fact that light has a finite speed.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Well obviously you don't understand the relevance of it Neutralino, because you're not thinking about it hard enough. Don't take everything I say to be meaningless.

I understand that light travel's at a finite speed. However, I am saying that you can get the distance between two mirrors to be increasing at faster than the speed of light. Nobody has actually done this experiment before.

Put it this way, if I am looking at myself in a mirror, and the mirror is moving away from me at more than half the speed of light, then the image of myself which I am looking at will appear to be moving away at more than the speed of light. That is because objects in the mirror appear to be receding at twice the rate as the mirror itself. It's because of reflection. It doesn't mean that the speed of light changes.

And if the mirror is accelerating it throws a whole new aspect. But you don't understand why do you? Well, it has to do with the ramifications of quantum mechanics and the fact of the planck second, and how it relates to the expansion of the universe. Care for me to divulge? If you do, and if you ask for forgiveness for saying I'm a liar, I will tell you all how to see beyond the cosmic horizon which Graybeard said is impossible but I'm saying that nothing is impossible!

[dleviwing]

POK;
You obviously have great difficulty understanding the fundamentals of “Special Relativity”. You are viewing your reflection as if it were an instantaneous event; it’s not.

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neutralino;
We cannot say the speed of light is “finite”; we can only say the “MEASURMENT” of the speed of light in a vacuum renders the same number regardless of our reference frame of motion. That's one of the reasons Relativity works.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by purveyor of knowledge Dear Graybeard, I have come up with a theoretical design for a new kind of telescope. Imagine a system of mirrors that are all spinning, or moving, and imagine that there is a path set up between these mirrors for light to travel. Now imagine that each one of these mirrors is moving at approximately half the speed of light, but that the distance between the mirrors is growing at faster than the speed of light since there are multiple mirrors. What would happen if you were to look through these mirrors? Also, imagine that the mirrors maybe accelerating at a great rate. What would happen in this case?

Hi POK .... You haven't posted your new invention yet ?

Regarding this post, the way I see things is that ALL things that are not light emitters (Stars, Supernova, our sun, etc) are already mirrors)Planets, Moons. That is, they reflect light (which defines a mirror ?) So any two objects that are separating (space is growing between them .... expansion) at faster than the speed of light, whether they are polished mirror surfaces or not, will not be able to receive light to reflect. Light is unable to bridge the gap across this yawning chasm ... LOL


So you see ... no matter HOW efficient you make a telescope you cannot lose sight of the fact that it is in the end a Light receiver .... if light cannot reach it then ..... no pictures ...

I don't think you have given enough thought to the FULL implications of what a Cosmic Horizon means.

The Cosmic Horizon is as far as one can EVER 'see' regardless of how we improve technology.

POK ... Having said that I would REALLY like to know about your telescope 'design' if you can talk about it without giving away any patent secrets.

Hope this makes it a bit clearer .... ???

cool bananas ... greg

[pok]

haha, well thanks for the support again Graybeard. You are a super cool guy in my book.

Concerning my newest invention, that is the world's most efficient reflector hood, I have taken pictures of it and I'm waiting to finish the roll so that I can get them developed and show you what is going to make lighting our homes so much more efficient that we will save tons on energy. All this from purveyor of knowledge, and now I am looking at how this technology can be used to make solar power much more efficient and hopefully a viable alternative to oil. You will like it when you see it Graybeard! This thing is... luminous! And did you ever notice how flowers are so bright? Sure they're brightly colored, but they also reflect light very well. Well, that's basically how this thing works too. It copies nature. I'm making my parents a christmas tree star and it's going to be awesome for christmas!!!

As far as patents, well, I don't really believe in them. I mean, everything we're inventing right now has already been invented by other races in the galaxy right? So I'm going to try and start my own solar company but that's not going to stop me from showing you guys exactly what I have done and how. Helping the world out is my first goal you know. All my technology and knowledge is free for everyone. But not the lightning director, not yet, because I have to study that a bit more and make sure people will not use it and go all crazy and stuff. hahaha

Ok, now on to the new telescope idea. It's not really a telescope so much as a device that I believe will allow you to see time slowing down, and possibly even to look back in time, and possibly even see beyond the event horizon. If this device works as I'm hoping it will it will allow us to see any event in history that ever Happened! That's because everything that has ever happened is permanently set in the "stone" of light. Amazing huh? Yeah, but the practicality of building it is going to be super difficult. Nothing purveyor of knowledge can't conquer of course!

SO here's how it works, but first a little description.

You are right that any object receding away from us at faster than TSOL will be beyond the cosmic horizon and we won't be able to see it. I do know what the cosmic horizon is, and it is exactly how you have described it.

However, in my telescope invention nothing actually travels at faster than the speed of light. It is only an ILLUSION created inside the mirror, you see.

So imagine you are looking at the mirror in your bathroom. If the mirror is one foot away then your image will also be one foot away, but you will appear in the mirror to actually be two feet away from yourself! That's because the light travels one foot to the mirror and another foot back so even though the mirror is only one foot away your image APPEARS to be two feet away.

Now imagine that, for some odd reason, the wall in your bathroom that the mirror is on starts to move directly away from you at 1/4 the speed of light. The image of you that lies on the mirror will only be moving away at 1/4 the speed of light but it will APPEAR to be actually receding at 1/2 the speed of light. That is because things appear to have depth in the mirror even though they are really flat.

Ok, do you understand so far? Nothing travels faster than the speed of light. Let's say though, just for argument sake, that now your mirror is moving away from you at 1/2 the speed of light. THis means that the image of you on the surface of the mirror will only be moving away from you at 1/2 the speed of light, but if you consider the 3d land inside the mirror then the image of you in the mirror APPEARS to move away from you at twice that. Objects in the mirror appear to be retreating at twice the rate as the actual rate that the mirror surface is retreating. Do you see what I mean?

It's a trick that we can utilize because the light can undergo absolute acceleration by changing directions instantly when it hits the mirror.

It won't work for non-imaging objects like the moon. You have to have something that produces a reflected image in order for this invention to be cool.

So here's what I think it will do. As stated, objects in the mirror APPEAR to be receding at twice the rate that the mirror is receding because the mirror effectively doubles the distance. Nothing travels faster than the speed of light - it is just an illusion created in the mirror. SO here's what I predict, as the mirror recedes at a rate that approaches 1/2 the speed of light, the illusion in the mirror will be that objects appear to recede at a rate that approaches the speed of light. Remember, this is just an illusion and nothing physical ever travels faster than TSOL.

So as the mirror approaches 1/2 the speed of light away from you then time in the mirror will appear to slow down. Such that if you were looking at a mirror that is moving away from you at greater than 1/2 the speed of light then time in the mirror will actually APPEAR to proceed backward. In this way one should theoretically be able to look back in time. It is just a trick because the light undergoes absolute acceleration and changes direction instantly when it hits the surface of the mirror.

Time is nothing but a mirror anyways. See if you define that number that nobody likes then the number line becomes a mirror image of itself and is turned into a circle. So whenever we reach a point where the cosmic horizon has shrunk to a mere planck distance, time will reverse and be completely mirrored. This is what I've discovered. What this means you see is that we can use mirrors as a trick because time itself is really just a mirror that we're on only one side of and the dividing line of course is TSOL.

So the practicality of building the device is rather difficult because first of all it is extremely difficult to have a mirror move at even 1/2 the speed of light. Even if you did, it would be gone from you so quick that you wouldn't even be able to see into it. You'd have to track it with a telescope and even then you wouldn't be able to see it for long.

So that's why you have to use multiple mirrors and you have to have the mirrors travelling in circular paths so that they do not escape from you. I will draw up a diagram to show you how to set it up. But basically if you get LOTS of mirrors it shouldn't be too difficult to mimick the expansion of space using the mirrors and see what it would actually look like if an object receded at TSOL. Remember, it's just an illusion inside the mirror.

Now if you throw acceleration into the mix it's a whole new ballgame. For example, I theorize that if you look into a mirror that is ACCELERATING away from you at a quantum mechanical rate you may be able to enlarge the cosmic horizon as an illusion inside of the mirror. Now why I think that works I will explain to you if you wish but I must conclude for now because this post is long. But tell me what you think so far please. Thanks Graybeard!

cool bannanas

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by pok SO here's how it works, but first a little description. You are right that any object receding away from us at faster than TSOL will be beyond the cosmic horizon and we won't be able to see it. I do know what the cosmic horizon is, and it is exactly how you have described it. However, in my telescope invention nothing actually travels at faster than the speed of light. It is only an ILLUSION created inside the mirror, you see. So imagine you are looking at the mirror in your bathroom. If the mirror is one foot away then your image will also be one foot away, but you will appear in the mirror to actually be two feet away from yourself! That's because the light travels one foot to the mirror and another foot back so even though the mirror is only one foot away your image APPEARS to be two feet away. Now imagine that, for some odd reason, the wall in your bathroom that the mirror is on starts to move directly away from you at 1/4 the speed of light. The image of you that lies on the mirror will only be moving away at 1/4 the speed of light but it will APPEAR to be actually receding at 1/2 the speed of light. That is because things appear to have depth in the mirror even though they are really flat. Ok, do you understand so far? Nothing travels faster than the speed of light. Let's say though, just for argument sake, that now your mirror is moving away from you at 1/2 the speed of light. THis means that the image of you on the surface of the mirror will only be moving away from you at 1/2 the speed of light, but if you consider the 3rd land inside the mirror then the image of you in the mirror APPEARS to move away from you at twice that. Objects in the mirror appear to be retreating at twice the rate as the actual rate that the mirror surface is retreating. Do you see what I mean? It's a trick that we can utilize because the light can undergo absolute acceleration by changing directions instantly when it hits the mirror. It won't work for non-imaging objects like the moon. You have to have something that produces a reflected image in order for this invention to be cool.

POK .... I think you have an extra perceptive logical brain ... but you work so fast and so intuitively that you may have overlooked a smallish detail.

I might be wrong here. The 3rd Land is never actually inside the mirror, it is a piece of information being carried by the reflected photons, as you move the mirror away the new reflected photons change the information packets they are carrying to resemble the new reality. This means there is only ever the distance between you and the mirror, inside the mirror there is no distance.

I notice that you say 'appears' to move away .. so you may have thought on this already.

Another thing I note is that it does not offer any mechanism for carrying information across the Cosmic Horizon ?

Originally Posted by pok But tell me what you think so far please. Thanks Graybeard!

I think that you have a fine mind ... I think you should seriously consider further educating (graduating) yourself in one of the science disciplines (even Einstein had to do this). I think that you have a grasp of fundamentals that exceeds mine, but you need the discipline of a University to focus your considerable creative ability.

cool bananas ... greg