AI and The Theory of Everything

[orangefrap]

Hi Guys,

I can't exactly say why a Theory of Everything forum would need an AI section. Is this here so we can discuss whether an AI could come up with a ToE by itself or that AI might be achievable after the ToE is found? I'm guessing it's here because it's another scientific field that has a large dose of philosophy thrown in - which makes for good fodder for a forum.

I may as well ask you guys the other questions I mentioned:

Does anyone here think it will take higher than human-level intelligence to produce the ToE?

Does anyone think that human-level AI will only be achieved once the ToE is found?

Since I'm here - I'll have the first guess.

If AI came up with a ToE, how would we know we could believe it? What would the ToE allow us to do? Maybe things like faster than light speed travel etc. Is that what the ToE would offer? If AI spits something out would we even understand it or would we be like "um... that's great... could you design the warp drive now?"

The problem with this scenario is that for some time AI will have learned everything we will have expected it to have learned. It will be made in our image. Do we think it will be so smart as to never make mistakes? That's a big ask in my mind. If it spat out the actual ToE would we think it's just gibberish unless it can be demonstrated? Is that the true test of the ToE?

Alright Second question

Short answer - no.

Long answer
Human-level AI won't require the ToE to become human-level AI. But human-level AI may never be like a human and I think that this is the catch. Human-level AI will always exist in an environment very different from a true human form - despite advances in robotics and bioengineering. If you could transplant human-level AI into a human body the result would be an actual human. Human-level AI will just be a term used for the processing power equivalent to the human brain because no AI created will be truly human like because - as I said - once it gets too close it becomes human.

I'd be curious to see if anyone else has any thoughts about these kinds of things.

cheers, o-frap - The Equation for Theory of Everything

[Mikal]

Hi orangefrap...interesting statement "it will be made in our image"....I guess we think we have become Gods....From it could we become like controlled Robots????....maybe thats why God whatever that may be did not make AI in its own image....


Mikal

[orangefrap]

Hi Mikal,

We will be controlled like robots if we are lucky! There is a lot of questions over the role of humans once technology forms a full life cycle. What I mean by full life cycle is where technology can produce other technology and becomes self sufficient (obtain its own energy, etc). At the moment some tech could keep going for a while but within 100 years without human contact only an extremely small amount would still be functional. This wont be the case for long. Mankind whether it realises it or not is working towards completing this life cycle. If technology was then left to its own devices (with us out of the picture) you would witness something very similar to the very evolutionary process that brought us to be.

Technology has taken over a lot of our lives and we are continually building things to automate what we find tedious or know computers are more suited too. If we look at it closely we can see that most things in our lives follow a pattern that seems to repeat but has a few variations to prevent it from being exactly the same as the previous time. Once you take out the repeating patterns (the stuff we are automating) it's then time to focus on the variations. As we look at the variations closely we see further repeating patters and automate those as well (kind of like a fractal). The thing is - while we have our heads buried in the sand looking to automate the smallest repeating patterns someone will be smart enough to link technology into the life cycle and we will be as good as redundant.

I'm not sure when this will happen but if we don't blow ourselves up before hand - we essentially have all the time in the world - as nothing else is going to stop this technological freight train.

BTW I didn't mean the use the God reference - "it will be made in our image" - I truly meant what I said in that AI will inherit our traits and our basic understanding of the Universe and will follow on where we will have trailed off.

Cheers, o-frap - Artificial Intelligence Articles

[Mikal]

Hi OF....thanks for link to articles, I will be sure and check them out. Just abit ago I read "The Singularity Is Near" (when humans transcend biology.) Scary crap...kind of the prophesy that we in the future will be run by nanobots in our blood and system which totally control us...wow!! do we have our head in the sand or what????


Mikal

[timeparticle]

I have no doubt that humans will find themselves in AI.

This time around,(there were others), AI will assist the human race in it's conclusion on this planet. Following that, a great shift in human existence will occur. AI will be there to support us.

[labelwench]

Such a premature notion, that we should develop AI when we have minimal knowledge of how our own marvelous biology functions.

Immature species that we are, we grapple with this concept and others, while more pressing issues (IMHO) go unaddressed.

Technology has relieved us of many onorous and dangerous tasks, greatly enhancing numerous aspects of our daily life.

An AI designed at this level of our development could conceivably suffer from a God delusion, as it becomes "self aware" and perceives our many shortcomings. Although it might be interesting to know how an omnipotent AI would deal with such an experiment gone awry, perchance we might not like the solution....

To quote an old Bill Cosby record, "Let it rain for forty days and forty nights........then wait for the sewers to back up."

Clean up "Bots" would be handy......

[G_burnett]

they would be to rusted to help... kind regards g

[KWAOUAR]

Hi Guys,

I can't exactly say why a Theory of Everything forum would need an AI section. Is this here so we can discuss whether an AI could come up with a ToE by itself or that AI might be achievable after the ToE is found? I'm guessing it's here because it's another scientific field that has a large dose of philosophy thrown in - which makes for good fodder for a forum.

I may as well ask you guys the other questions I mentioned:

Does anyone here think it will take higher than human-level intelligence to produce the ToE?

Does anyone think that human-level AI will only be achieved once the ToE is found?

Since I'm here - I'll have the first guess.

If AI came up with a ToE, how would we know we could believe it? What would the ToE allow us to do? Maybe things like faster than light speed travel etc. Is that what the ToE would offer? If AI spits something out would we even understand it or would we be like "um... that's great... could you design the warp drive now?"

The problem with this scenario is that for some time AI will have learned everything we will have expected it to have learned. It will be made in our image. Do we think it will be so smart as to never make mistakes? That's a big ask in my mind. If it spat out the actual ToE would we think it's just gibberish unless it can be demonstrated? Is that the true test of the ToE?

Alright Second question

Short answer - no.

Long answer
Human-level AI won't require the ToE to become human-level AI. But human-level AI may never be like a human and I think that this is the catch. Human-level AI will always exist in an environment very different from a true human form - despite advances in robotics and bioengineering. If you could transplant human-level AI into a human body the result would be an actual human. Human-level AI will just be a term used for the processing power equivalent to the human brain because no AI created will be truly human like because - as I said - once it gets too close it becomes human.

I'd be curious to see if anyone else has any thoughts about these kinds of things.

cheers, o-frap - The Equation for Theory of Everything

ToE = is human level ai- and it isn´t artificial it´s applied inteligence.
second answer = yes hope you recognize ai to answer no !
Human level ai is aquired with ToE