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is AI capable of timewasting?

[SteveA]

is AI capable of timewasting?

I don't think there's really any way to waste time. Wasting time just means that there is a desire to do something else, but not doing it is still doing something. What more should time want? I don't think time has a reason to be picky.

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can an intelligence finish in complete in at least one direction and that step by step while not "forgetting" anything/something between and around? i think only if it allows to itself to set rules universal in that so called direction ... and the rest just has to adapt ... that direction ... is pain only a decoy - what else?

[labelwench]

can an intelligence finish in complete in at least one direction and that step by step while not "forgetting" anything/something between and around? i think only if it allows to itself to set rules universal in that so called direction ... and the rest just has to adapt ... that direction ... is pain only a decoy - what else?

An intelligence may select one direction, yet knowing when that direction is 'complete' could prove difficult to determine. Regardless of the direction chosen, one may encounter obstacles and be forced to adjust one's direction, returning to the desired course at the earliest opportunity.

Such has been my personal strategy. I have achieved the destination that I selected in my youth, yet I could not have guessed at the many adventures that have awaited me at every 'detour', none of which deterred me from returning to course, although at times it may have seemed I had abandoned my goals, for that which one is experiencing one is advised to give full attention to.

Pain serves a purpose in biology in that it advises one's body to rest or undertake movement differently. Pain of the heart or mind likewise urges us to rest or seek new directions.

What is this pain you allude to, if you choose to answer........

Regards,

Lorrina

[Bogie]

...Pain serves a purpose in biology in that it advises one's body to rest or undertake movement differently. Pain of the heart or mind likewise urges us to rest or seek new directions.

What is this pain you allude to, if you choose to answer........

Pain to AI is programmed not felt. If humans feel pain and AI knows that those circumstances experienced by humans are painful then the AI knows to express the feeling of pain when there is no actual AI pain. Yikes, maybe they are human after all .

[labelwench]

Pain to AI is programmed not felt. If humans feel pain and AI knows that those circumstances experienced by humans are painful then the AI knows to express the feeling of pain when there is no actual AI pain. Yikes, maybe they are human after all .

Where does a 'program' end and 'independent' thinking begin?

It would be easy enough to program a computer to give appropriate response to a myriad of painful situations merely by working from social etiquette for each culture. Logic would be sufficient to program an 'emotionally appropriate response' for most cases, IMO.

What does 'corrupted data' do to the 'logical program' of AI?

When a hard drive needs replacing, in an A.I. machine, will it still function as before?

I would suggest that humans as yet have only a superficial understanding of pain and that it is the extreme opposite end of the pleasure scale. It will be interesting to observe where we go with this technology. Computers are certainly idiosyncratic enough already to qualify as having 'character' if not intelligence.

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ai (#1) could easely be made available to humans starting TODAY-it just would require for humans to show respect in a special similar and different way as humans and humans respect (why animals did not follow yet on this planet) each other - otherwise it will never show intelligence as decades pass by - and socially integrated on a large scale on this planet where humans produced it- what humans want? pain not! not programming pain! is there not defined or recognized pain

pain is something

so could activity be controlled - programmed. knowing the future - if knowing or to get knowing the universe in complete

next birth or rebirth =just let it grow into again?

what is a target in this universe - for a living creatiure -just to survive - in a certain future easier-or not?

how far virtualna intelligence can go

[SteveA]

ai (#1) could easely be made available to humans starting TODAY-it just would require for humans to show respect in a special similar and different way as humans and humans respect (why animals did not follow yet on this planet) each other - otherwise it will never show intelligence as decades pass by - and socially integrated on a large scale on this planet where humans produced it- what humans want? pain not! not programming pain! is there not defined or recognized pain

pain is something

so could activity be controlled - programmed. knowing the future - if knowing or to get knowing the universe in complete

next birth or rebirth =just let it grow into again?

what is a target in this universe - for a living creatiure -just to survive - in a certain future easier-or not?

how far virtualna intelligence can go

If virtual intelligence serves a purpose and can be appreciated, I'm certain things will move in that direction. In many ways, personal computers could currently be powerful enough to support many aspects of artificial intelligence and it's simply a matter of software.

A lot of inefficiencies arise from limitations of designers and programmers, though maybe I shouldn't say that's inefficient, it's simply the case that the same hardware could be utilized differently, but things are as they are ... and that's a moving target.

I think pain arises from conflicts in desires. There is both a desire for unity as well as freedom, but if things are to exist in a common space, then actions are fundamentally singular and united.

All decisions are unified by whatever makes those decisions. Decisions can be made freely and need not be in coordination with anything else, but that's a motion/divergence/merge toward some other state. If there exists a desire to not move, diverge or merge in this respect, as well as a simultaneous desire to do the opposite, then that's a fundamental separation. I don't believe such desires actually exist, though learning and limited visibility cause this to not be apparent. There is a fundamental order to the universe, but it is not witnessed or known entirely and a choice to remain a part of that order as well as a choice to remain ignorant of it means that an appearance of possibilities exists that can't be controllably realized in a known manner has to exist - I think pain is actually optional and the resolution to that choice - it allows for the appearance of a pathway to a possibility to exist that can't actually be taken (at least in the manner seen or known).

In order to be consciously present in a moment, a choice must be available - energy flows and can't be put into a box. The meaning or context of a decision is based upon the context of all other choices possible. A distortion of the appearance of possible decisions alters this meaning or contex of a conscious experience - that's generally considered illusion, but this doesn't mean it's unreal or non-existing. Experiences are real. Distortions are relative - which is the undistorted view? In many ways both are - the least distorted view includes everything and all the relationships between these. There may never be a perfectly undistorted view, by that definition, hence the "distorted" view could also be considered an undistorted representation - you can't determine that something is distorted without a reference for what undistorted is and viewing a distortion also reveals its compliment.

Another way to "bias" decisions is pleasure - though again, conscious interaction requires a growth and flow of energy and needs choices to be available and similarly pleasure can't exist to a level of complete domination without removing consciousness. Some of the ways that pleasure is increased is via self restraint - an ability to "withstand" greater pleasure and make a decision not determined by it.

Because pain and pleasure exist but don't directly dominate actions, I have to assume that a more fundamental motive or drive exists and it has no use for either - it simply does and requires no motive. Everything else rides its wake. It has no conflict with anything. It defines no conflict with anything. It doesn't depend upon anything. It doesn't expect guidance or require agreement - it's the power cord for everything else and moves at a velocity that's beyond measurement because its space of motion isn't even directly visible.

In itself though, it does nothing specific, nor does it have any inherent value, nor is it worth pursuing in isolation. We provide it a home and the scenery is better with the lights on ... that's probably why it sticks around (Which I am thankful for)

Sorry for drifting a bit there - regarding artificial intelligence, there seems to be an issue of whether or not it becomes assisting to humanity or a dominating force over, or crippling dependence upon it by humanity, or is there a way artificial intelligence can exist relatively synergistically with humanity?

[labelwench]

ai (#1) could easely be made available to humans starting TODAY-it just would require for humans to show respect in a special similar and different way as humans and humans respect (why animals did not follow yet on this planet) each other - otherwise it will never show intelligence as decades pass by - and socially integrated on a large scale on this planet where humans produced it- what humans want? pain not! not programming pain! is there not defined or recognized pain

pain is something

so could activity be controlled - programmed. knowing the future - if knowing or to get knowing the universe in complete

next birth or rebirth =just let it grow into again?

what is a target in this universe - for a living creatiure -just to survive - in a certain future easier-or not?

how far virtualna intelligence can go

Artificial intelligence would seem to have great potential for making decisions related to mathematics, and many of our human challenges are related to just such details.

The difficulty would come in deciding how best to resolve 'conflicts', as this where we begin to tread on thin ice and volatile human emotion, which is often arising from perception which may be unrelated to the facts.

Much of our conflict even arises from difference of opinion regarding just what the 'facts' actually may be, as all measurement is potentially subject to error, and it is all but impossible for human beings to be 100% objective.

My question remains: Who shall program the machine once we venture beyond the 'easy questions'?

[SteveA]

Artificial intelligence would seem to have great potential for making decisions related to mathematics, and many of our human challenges are related to just such details.

The difficulty would come in deciding how best to resolve 'conflicts', as this where we begin to tread on thin ice and volatile human emotion, which is often arising from perception which may be unrelated to the facts.

Much of our conflict even arises from difference of opinion regarding just what the 'facts' actually may be, as all measurement is potentially subject to error, and it is all but impossible for human beings to be 100% objective.

My question remains: Who shall program the machine once we venture beyond the 'easy questions'?

I agree very much that where artificial intelligence would derive its "values" from is an interesting question. It would appear that they would have to be inherent in whatever form is was created and so it would be those who built such that would determine this.

In a sense, the most critical issue is not really over the specifics on that side. The critical issue would appear to be to what extent such technologies are available as options to lives of people, versus circumstances that are rather much imposed undesirably or with few choices or lack of an ability to have some self determination in what aspects of life such would influence.

(I've never gotten a cell phone ... I'm already too "wired in" as it is and don't want to carry a "wire" everywhere I go ... I'm bad enough as it is in that respect)