[Profpat]

Recently RP and myself have been discussing the possibility of parallel universes being created at the time of the big bang.

One of matter spinning clockwise and another of anti/matter spinning counter-clockwise. Intermeshed at the edge and turning like gears.

Such a scenerio would mean symmetry at creation and not an asymmetrical ( or broken symmetry )

It would also give Hawkings his parallel universe he needs so he doesn't lose information.

RP You are correct it could indeed be similiar to the yin/yang symbol (which I think is described as the Diagram of the Supreme Ultimate ). Instead of just turning like gears they could also revolve around each other.

Best to all,

Pat

[RascalPuff]

Dear Prof:
Sorta picking up where we left off, with an introductory phase that may blend in with the foregoing discussion...

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Originally Posted by Profpat
That is a funny image Michael. I have no idea myself as to what would happen, but, I am able to visualize an army of infinite energy seeing an army of infinite anti/energy, and both getting the hell out of Dodge City before the annihilate each other.

I think thats why they have different spins and probably different parts of the universe so that doesn't happen.

There may be a negative Pat and negative Michael out there.

Best to you,

Pat

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Dear Prof:

You may have generated a premise for the big bang institution here?
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As in the meshing and rotation of two gears, each causing the other to revolve in the opposite direction, while doing this in harmony - two gears, two different portions of the universe: side by side.

Just a thought.

Regards.
- RP
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That's a pretty good thought RP. Maybe as they touch the energy created is the energy used to keep them moving( revolving ). Or perhaps the energy is used to create another universe. I guess I'm thinking of the symbol of the Tao. The Yin/Yang of complementary opposites here. But they flow in the same direction.

You may have something here RP, I was actually thinking of particle spin myself, but your universal spin puts a new spin on things. Maybe we didn't need all that annihilation at the beginning. The particles went off in the particle direction with their particle spin and the anti/particle did the opposite. Consequently, that would mean creation of one positive spin universe and one with a negative spin.

This could really be strange because then there is probably an anti/RP and an anti/Pat and Michael etc.

Good thought RP but a little scary thinking there may be an actual anti/Pat out there. Though I guess me and anti/me would balance to zero.

Thanks again RP I have to do some thinking.

Pat
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Originally Posted by RascalPuff
As in the meshing and rotation of two gears, each causing the other to revolve in the opposite direction, while doing this in harmony - two gears, two different portions of the universe: side by side.

Just a thought.

Regards.
- RP

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This dynamic may be applicable as a potential generalized cause for many different categories of 'spin'.
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Originally Posted by Profpat
That's a pretty good thought RP. Maybe as they touch the energy created is the energy used to keep them moving( revolving ). Or perhaps the energy is used to create another universe. I guess I'm thinking of the symbol of the Tao. The Yin/Yang of complementary opposites here. But they flow in the same direction.

You may have something here RP, I was actually thinking of particle spin myself, but your universal spin puts a new spin on things. Maybe we didn't need all that annihilation at the beginning. The particles went off in the particle direction with their particle spin and the anti/particle did the opposite. Consequently, that would mean creation of one positive spin universe and one with a negative spin.

This could really be strange because then there is probably an anti/RP and an anti/Pat and Michael etc.

Good thought RP but a little scary thinking there may be an actual anti/Pat out there. Though I guess me and anti/me would balance to zero.

Thanks again RP I have to do some thinking.

Pat

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Dear Prof:
Regarding your thoughts on the Tao symbol and that the two (Yin-Yang) composites of that symbol ,'flow in the same direction.'

You may be onto something here and taking credit away from yourself for the idea. That is, it seems to me that the two issued composites can be construed as moving - and/or otherwise co existing - in opposing directions. It seems to me that the issued symbol is an expression of mutually complementary, reciprocally supportive opposites.

What do you think of this alternative interpretation of what might - after all - be your correct introduction of the YinYang symbol as comparable to the consideration of the meshed gears moving in opposite directions (generating opposite spins)?

Post Script:
It may be that we've 'spun' a little off topic from 'philosphical religion' here. But then again, I think we're doing spinningly? (HeeHoHaw)

Best regards,
- RP
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Dear RP;

I'm still thinking about this.

Allow me to brainstorm:

1. Could there have been two parallel universes, one we'll call Thesis, its opposite we'll call Antithesis, and they collide and make a third universe we'll call Synthesis. (Born in original sin: positive and negative and in balanced equilibrium )

2. When I spin a coin I can spin it clockwise or counter-clockwise. Clockwise the coin spins to the right and goes off its beginning spin point to the right. Left spin just the opposite.

So would the two opposite spinned universes, initially would go to the right or left, but its not a straight line but curves. Meaning the two could meet and really annihilate itself.

3. What I just said may have happened and that is why evrything is really a spatial illusion.

I will return. Best to you RP

Pat

PS I've seen the yin/yang symbol in clockwise motion
and counter-clockwise but never together. Wouldn't they flow outside of the circle if one was spinning left and the other right?
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"PS I've seen the yin/yang symbol in clockwise motion
and counter-clockwise but never together. Wouldn't they flow outside of the circle if one was spinning left and the other right?"


They may indeed be perceived as 'flowing outside the (static) circle."
The symbol may intend that? Then you have a spiral, and spirals certainly do - if you will - have a way of getting around...
Still thinking on this with you, bumper to bumper and side by side...

Best regards,
- RP
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RP;

You're right on both counts.
1. My spinning coin does form a spiral curve. ( or it appears to )
2. They sure would be in sync. those two universes, just like a gear, one going clockwise and the other going counterclockwise.

That might explain that the creation was really symmetrical and not asymmetrical ( which really to me never made much sense because this was one of the things they couldn't explain and so assumed an asymmetrical creation.)
We wouldn't need all those particles which were annihilated at the beginning.(Supposedly )

If we did have two universes would they be attracted to one another, since gravity is attractive only?
When they touch alot of pure energy would be created.

The image would be more like a figure 8 then the yin/yang image however.

I'm still thinking RP I'll be back.

Best.

Pat
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Recently RP and myself have been discussing the possibility of parallel universes being created at the time of the big bang.

One of matter spinning clockwise and another of anti/matter spinning counter-clockwise. Intermeshed at the edge and turning like gears.

Such a scenerio would mean symmetry at creation and not an asymmetrical ( or broken symmetry )

It would also give Hawkings his parallel universe he needs so he doesn't lose information.

RP You are correct it could indeed be similiar to the yin/yang symbol (which I think is described as the Diagram of the Supreme Ultimate ). Instead of just turning like gears they could also revolve around each other.

Best to all,

Pat

[Profpat]

Thanks RP;

If the yin/yang symbol was applicable to our universal situation, then I guess our universe would be the dark one with the white center,since we only have 4% luminious matter and the rest is dark energy/matter.

Pat

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Profpat Thanks RP; If the yin/yang symbol was applicable to our universal situation, then I guess our universe would be the dark one with the white center,since we only have 4% luminious matter and the rest is dark energy/matter. Pat

This thread seems very interesting Pat,Like where it is heading?



regards michael.

[RascalPuff]

Dear Prof:
Regarding the two - side by side - harmoniously rotating, meshed gears. It seems we may have a model from which to ponder the foreboding 'three body problem', insofar as the addition of a 3rd gear binds the rotation of the originally considered pair.

Regarding light and dark energy, I have expected from the beginning of the usages of these terms (and their mysterious contingencies) that they are rationalizations installed to account for the mystery of what occupies and permeates deep space.

There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors replacing what are otherwise (concealed and displaced) shrugged shoulders from the giants of theoretical physics.

Best regards,
- RP

[Profpat]

I'm not sure Michael.

Right now it appears to be spinning in a circle (spiral) and RP told me that spirals have a way of getting around.

I'm hoping RP will be our guide.

But what our your thoughts on parallel ( complementary ) universes coexisting side by side?

Best,

Pat

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Profpat I'm not sure Michael. Right now it appears to be spinning in a circle (spiral) and RP told me that spirals have a way of getting around. I'm hoping RP will be our guide. But what our your thoughts on parallel ( complementary ) universes coexisting side by side? Best, Pat

I have always thought of parallel universes existing all of my life,each occupying the same space just an octave apart?

regards michael.

[RascalPuff]

"If we did have two universes would they be attracted to one another, since gravity is attractive only?
When they touch alot of pure energy would be created."

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By your leave, Prof:
Since 1996 and accumulatively, more information is stacking up indicating a repelling force acting - simultaneously and 'side by side' - with the 'attractive force of gravity'. (Two vectors acting in opposite directions, more or less balancing each other out) - that was the role of the original innovation of Einstein's formerly abandoned Cosmological Constant - is recently being brought back out of the trash and onto the slate; to account for what's emerging as not only a spatially expanding universe, but an accelerating-expanding universe, where, it seems, the repelling force (Lambda) is slightly overpowering the (alleged) impelling force of gravity. My work interprets this as a physically as well as spatially expanding universe... http:forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie

(Gravitons are a purely hypothetical consideration until further notice.)

Regarding the issue of 'touching' universes... We do see some galaxies in collision, whereas none of the ultimate constituents of those galaxies are actually making surface to surface contact. 'Contact' requires surface to surface interaction, and until further notice, ultimately, there ain't no surfaces to be found on 'anything', anywhere (micro or macro).

Of course there's much more to be issued here.
It seems we're throwing a wide loop (and I can see all kinds of options for it to grow even more inclusive), as the venerable Michael has implied.

Best regards,
- RP

[Profpat]

Curiouser and curiouser RP;

Just when I'm getting comfortable with the two parallel universe theory, you introduce a 3rd.

Mind you I like the #3. I needed the 3 quarks to explain my proton idea. And Austintorn and Protheory both are big on 3.

I have a problem with 3 gears. One goes clockwise another goes counter-clockwise which way does the 3rd gear turn? Its seams it would stop the works.

Please can't we stop with 2. It's description fit the
Tao Diagram so nicely.

Michael, darn good thought, but now I'm really down that rabbit hole.
I never did trust infrared or ultraviolet, or infrasound or ultrasound.
Now you are saying my doppelganger may be sharing the same space and I wouldn't be aware.

Well I have a lot of thinking to do.

Best,

Pat

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Profpat Curiouser and curiouser RP; Just when I'm getting comfortable with the two parallel universe theory, you introduce a 3rd. Mind you I like the #3. I needed the 3 quarks to explain my proton idea. And Austintorn and Protheory both are big on 3. I have a problem with 3 gears. One goes clockwise another goes counter-clockwise which way does the 3rd gear turn? Its seams it would stop the works. Please can't we stop with 2. It's description fit the Tao Diagram so nicely. Michael, darn good thought, but now I'm really down that rabbit hole. I never did trust infrared or ultraviolet, or infrasound or ultrasound. Now you are saying my doppelganger may be sharing the same space and I wouldn't be aware. Well I have a lot of thinking to do. Best, Pat

That's right Pat!Look out he's behind you!

regards michael.