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Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Just a brief reply,I am back from India after a months travelling around that wonderful country,came home to find my computer full of bugs,will have to wait a few days to get repaired,have missed you all on the quest,thought is the prime mover of all reality.energy,matter, are all the same and are inter-changable,will be back online soonm. best regards michael have had to type this fast from work.

welcome back mkirkpatrick. We've missed your thoughtful insights. I think I speak for everyone.

[Duane Ertle]

Well, you are right. Furthermore, I would like to add another thought concerning "energy" and mass. A quote from "A Brief History of Time" p.92, reads, "Like light, gravitational waves carry energy away from the objects that emit them."

You might wish to consider that the force of gravity needs to have an energy source in order to perform work, and that the energy source must directly relate to that of mass. So, there is more than just electromagnetic radiation as being an energy form in the "wave" market. Could it be true that E=mc2, m=E/c2, and c2=E/m? The last would be a valid concept for a field of time (c), thusly for a gravitational field. And it does fit the requirement for performing work, and being a variable according to amount.

There is an experiment able to be performed to prove the point at
timebones.blogspot.com

Check it out

[mkirkpatrick]

back of all energy=matter=force=power=gravity=light=and uncle tom cobbly as well,lies the Potential,which forever can remain,Just Potential,or in the blink of an eye,can BEcome,Realised and the Arising of Ideation,Mindfulness.brings into
phenomenality,Motion of mindfulness,which is energy that is now realised by the
focussed intent of absolute allness.All Motion comes from Absolute Motionlessness.that is the Paradox,that is the way it works.



kindregards michael.

[michellemfry]

Originally Posted by <<>> Assume that Energy is Matter. Both things are exactly the same, E=M. But don't be confused, I don't mean mass, I mean matter. So your body is energy. How would the world be? What would the assumption impply? Would the laws of thermodynamics still work? As the particles of matter cannot be destroyed, then I believe that the laws of thermodynamics still would work.

The world would be embedded into a reality that is complete, unified, and curiously open. The assumptions imply that a part of the universe could transform itself into another. The laws of thermodynamics wouldn't have to work. The reality you are proposing creates a situation where laws won't work, they would be obsolete. The parts of the universe could continue transforming into whatever it needed to accomplish instead of the current state of things where things must exist apart from everything else.
Is that enough physics for you, Guille?

[Guille]

Originally Posted by michellemfry The world would be embedded into a reality that is complete, unified, and curiously open. The assumptions imply that a part of the universe could transform itself into another. The laws of thermodynamics wouldn't have to work. The reality you are proposing creates a situation where laws won't work, they would be obsolete. The parts of the universe could continue transforming into whatever it needed to accomplish instead of the current state of things where things must exist apart from everything else. Is that enough physics for you, Guille?

It is, thank you.
This may look like a philosophical question, but: If matter was the same as energy, what kind of energy would we be? Heat, Light, Sound, KE, PE, EPE...?

[michellemfry]

Matter is Energy and the same can be said for each of the energies you listed. Matter is Heat, Matter is Sound, Matter is etc. One has to accept your initial condition of what you said as true and work from there. You have to fully accept that Matter is Energy. Immediately, a different Universe is and must be considered. Transformation would be the only process necessary to examine the Universe. Here, you can not unify the different types of physics, but you can transform one into another. Where language is used and not mathematics, the difficulties in unification disappear. And paradoxes are not possible if you use the language of Hydrogen. It is not of my making, just scan the cosmos, and you find Hydrogen everywhere. If one were going to develop a language from scratch, one would start with the simplest element and make it your first word, and so on.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by michellemfry Matter is Energy and the same can be said for each of the energies you listed. Matter is Heat, Matter is Sound, Matter is etc. One has to accept your initial condition of what you said as true and work from there. You have to fully accept that Matter is Energy. Immediately, a different Universe is and must be considered. Transformation would be the only process necessary to examine the Universe. Here, you can not unify the different types of physics, but you can transform one into another. Where language is used and not mathematics, the difficulties in unification disappear. And paradoxes are not possible if you use the language of Hydrogen. It is not of my making, just scan the cosmos, and you find Hydrogen everywhere. If one were going to develop a language from scratch, one would start with the simplest element and make it your first word, and so on.

I know, what I meant to ask is whether 'matter is energy' would mean that matter is a new type of energy, or that matter is all the types of energies, or if matter would be another existing type of energy (like light, heat, sound...)?

[Duane Ertle]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick back of all energy=matter=force=power=gravity=light=and uncle tom cobbly as well,lies the Potential,which forever can remain,Just Potential,or in the blink of an eye,can BEcome,Realised and the Arising of Ideation,Mindfulness.brings into phenomenality,Motion of mindfulness,which is energy that is now realised by the focussed intent of absolute allness.All Motion comes from Absolute Motionlessness.that is the Paradox,that is the way it works. kindregards michael.

The distance into the past is too great to understand the existence that we experience. What you have stated makes no sense to the mind of man. The best we can understand is "In the beginning God ..." Isaiah 57:15 says that God "Inhabits eternity." Seeking to understand the habitation of eternity past and future while in the present makes no sense to mankind. Then, the Bible also states, God's hand has "spanned the universe." Lastly, there is also a mention that God "fills" the heavens. The conclusion is this, it seems as though you are seeking to explain God. I'd leave it alone. All there is to be found are multiple circles.

Reguards Duane

[dleviwing]

This thread shows the fundamental problem with science today. Take a simple hypothetical statement and debate it and add opinions until you get a concept of pure nonsense beyond the intent of the original poster who started it. Now all of you should be able to understand why Relativity and Quantum mechanics are so weird. The added addendums have disrupted the original ideas.

[Duane Ertle]

And you shall find what is written in a continuum of thoughts, one following another. What I had written was in response to "The Thinker" and his thoughts concerning the smallest concepts in our universe being the building blocks for the rest.

c2=E/m, the reason for it all.