[Mr. Nobody]

What is matter, if even the particles turn out to have no internal structure and only represent properties of spin, charge, momentum, location? Ask yourself, properties of what? Spin, charge, momentum, location of what?
When you zoom down a miscroscope until a haze of uncertainty obscures your view, what do you find? A fog of what?
Our senses are fooled into thinking of matter as solid, chunks of something. Even if matter is put together by molecules and atoms, there has to be some substance sooner or later, right? Wrong? There is nothing tangible, nothing truly solid. All there is, is electromagnetic interactions of waves that are described by particles. It is energy waves interacting with other energy waves. The wave has meaning, solids do not. Mass is a description of matter. It quanitifies the amount of matter waves held together, bound by electromagnetic interactions. Matter represents released energy, frozen in place, a symmetry broken, not unlike water will turn to ice, when cooled. Heat it up and it will turn back into the fire ball of the Big Bang.
That is my unscientific understanding. Please feel free to correct my simplistic simplifications

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Originally Posted by dleviwing

Sub;
Thank you for showing me that The American Heritage® Dictionary agrees with me. I was of course, already aware of that.
You may wish to review my thread "Dimensions and Entities"; it will help you evaluate what is the entity (matter) and what is the dimension of measurement (mass).

Again, you should answer my question specifically. How can you measure matter without defaulting to mass? What is an entity if not something measured?

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Originally Posted by Mohan.C

Sub;
you are made of millions of cells, organs. Shall we call you a body or should we call you organ of organs. Mass is the stuff that is in the matter. Matter is what we can feel. We measure matter by dimensions like length breadth height etc.. But mass is measured on the terms of energy. Its like all the people which make a country but it is actually that people are constituents of the country.

Yes I understand all that perfectly well. So how does that make mass different than matter? I think they are the same thing and dleviwing is playing a semantical game, but I could be wrong.

To answer your question, I don't care if you call me a body or an organ of organs, as long as we realize they are the same thing. Similarly, I don't care if you call something mass or matter, as long as you realize that there is no way to physically distinguish between the two. If there is a way to physically distinguish between mass and matter I'm still waiting on dleviwing to tell me. Otherwise I think he should concede that there is nothing physically different between matter and mass. Afterall, gravity should know right?

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Originally Posted by Mohan.C

Sub;
We measure matter by dimensions like length breadth height etc.. But mass is measured on the terms of energy

My apologies, but you are definitely mistaken. We don't measure mass by height and units of length. You're thinking of volume. We measure mass in units of matter, such as grams etc., which are units of mass obviously. See, units of mass and units of matter are EXACTLY the same thing! So why do we have people insisting that they're different when they use the EXACT same units. It's absolutely retarded.

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Originally Posted by Mohan.C

Its like all the people which make a country but it is actually that people are constituents of the country.

This analogy isn't exactly appropriate. For example, a country is made out of a lot more than just people. TO be absolutely correct the country is made exclusively out of the country, thus the country is the country. Matter is made exclusively out of mass, nothing else, thus the two things must be synonymous. DOn't you agree? Or maybe I'm wrong because matter is made out of something besides mass. Is matter made out of anything besides mass?

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Originally Posted by dleviwing

Mohan;
In your analogy we would describe you as having height, weight, hair color, and so on. The term "MASS" is to matter as weight is to you. It is not the stuff that matter is made of, it is a measured characteristic of physical substance based on the inertial property of matter (resistance to change of motion).

What's the difference between the stuff that matter is made of and "a measured characteristic of a physical substance." Is that just some semantical mumbo jumbo? If matter is not made out of mass, then what is it made out of???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nobody

What is matter, if even the particles turn out to have no internal structure and only represent properties of spin, charge, momentum, location? Ask yourself, properties of what? Spin, charge, momentum, location of what?
When you zoom down a miscroscope until a haze of uncertainty obscures your view, what do you find? A fog of what?

The most fundamental particle must be infinitely small and infinitely dense, by definition. Also it must be it's own counterpart. That is theoretically in consideration of everything!

[pagan3142]

Whats the difference ?
If a cat has fleas are they constituants ?
Are Fleas waves or particles in this Theory ?

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post 47
Matter Physics. Something that has mass and exists as a solid, liquid, gas, or plasma

I'm sorry dleviwing, but to me this definition explains how matter and mass are the same thing, not how they are different things. How do you see it differently? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to understand.

sincerely, sub

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by subversion

welcome back mkirkpatrick. We've missed your thoughtful insights. I think I speak for everyone.

Thank you Sub,I feel all warm
inside,ps Sub read your pm!


kindregards michael.