96% of the universe is missing!

mkirkpatrick · **96% of the universe is missing! -** 02-09-2006, 06:46 PM

I have just watched a t.v.program here in england on the bbc channel called
horizon,and in the program,it was claimed that science thinks that 96% of
the universe is missing,at first they said,that they had found dark matter,and
that this explained the shortfall of energy,this was then pushed to one side
in favour of dark energy,anyone know the difference?Please explain if you do.
There was also mention of top scientist becoming like modern day priests,
each preaching there own doctrine,what do you fellow toe-questers think,
I would be grateful for your input.

kind regards michael

michellemfry · 02-09-2006, 07:17 PM

I'm sure someone else can explain it better, but I thought it was based on the observed velocities of galaxies. For the observed velocities, a certain amount of mass is thought to be required to account for the integrity of the galaxy at that speed. But when we compare it to the known mass of the universe, a gaping hole opens up. We look and are not able to observe the mass in normal baryonic matter, protons and neutrons. This is one of those situations that causes even the most centered individual to wildly speculate and wonder. Is what we know about the fundamentals really valid? How can the effects of the mass be there, but no particles found? The best description at present is missing mass. At present, the universe is awfully quiet about it's capabilities. Kind of fun, isn't it?

Guille · 02-10-2006, 02:18 AM

The missing mass/energy is supposed to be dark matter and dark energy. But I believe we can explain it in terms of force carriers. I believe there is a sort of vortex that allows gravitons to leave universes and enter them. The do this freely. The same amount that leaves, comes in, and vice versa. Principle of conservation of energy. There might be parts of the universe where there are these vortex of gravitons, and these are free of mass, yet 'create' the gravity.

mkirkpatrick · **4% is accounted for,so we are all safe? -** 02-10-2006, 08:37 AM

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The missing mass/energy is supposed to be dark matter and dark energy. But I believe we can explain it in terms of force carriers. I believe there is a sort of vortex that allows gravitons to leave universes and enter them. The do this freely. The same amount that leaves, comes in, and vice versa. Principle of conservation of energy. There might be parts of the universe where there are these vortex of gravitons, and these are free of mass, yet 'create' the gravity.

I think you may havea point there,will look further into this idea.

regards michael.

trombonetom · 04-02-2006, 03:55 AM

A certain amout of non-baryonic (dark) matter of energy to provide galaxies with enough gravity to keep them together and in orbit around the central point.
At several points in TOEquest it is mentioned that enery is extremely similar to matter (and possibly matter is just energy slowed down).
Therefore, they are either almost the same thing; or they are the same.

Either way we do not need to worry about the difference between the two because that difference is very small.

Do you see my thinking?

Tell me if you have a different idea

Unreal Zelta · **energy...matter... -** 04-02-2006, 04:17 AM

Trom,
I agree with you, matter is only a form of energy. But, not energy itself. In other words, the linear equation Matter=Energy is not true. It the same as for, air=oxygen, that's only partly true, because, air consists of other gases (nitrogen, carbon dioxide and so on). SO, matter consists of energy (perhaps 96% of it) and the other 4% is human imagination or other forms of manipulative factors.

Best regards

Zelta

trombonetom · **Good point -** 04-02-2006, 04:34 AM

That is a good way of looking at it, I like that

HappytheStripper · 04-03-2006, 07:53 PM

Another way of looking at dark matter and dark energy is: You know the stories we tell every day as a "matter" of fact.... then we go into great datail to tell this story... the detail that connects this story together can be veiwed as "energy".... being like the threads that hold this matter together to complete the story.... the view of dark or light depends on the story we are wishing to tell... and others perception of.... in much the same way we do here at toequest.... however that is only my perception.... simple I thought.... as it is the story of the universe we are trying to write....

Although 96% of what we dont know is maybe only because our perception will not allow us.... allowing for only 4% of the information to be contained within society at any one given moment.... gives us a rather narrow minded view.

harmonygirl · 04-03-2006, 09:29 PM

Well said, HTS!

dleviwing · **What's missing? Is there an inventory? -** 04-03-2006, 10:39 PM

I am still confused as to what exactly is missing from the universe; Mass, Matter, or energy? Seeing as science really do not know what the numbers for "Mass" really mean (Richard Feynman), how can we presume to say anything is missing until we truly know what we are talking about. There is no true quantitative measure of the physical stuff of the universe. I think some scientists are doing some tail chasing.