[mkirkpatrick]

We are surrounded by things,many,many, things,I would like to propose
that this is at best a realitive illusion,of which we are all caught up in.
And back ofall themany things,lies the One-Thing or the allthing,I would
like further to propose that in this allthing reality,there was a complete
absence of all that we in this realitive universe took for granted,such as
no time,no space(as in being empty)it is absolutly full of the allness,no
motion,(as in being omini-present,where wouldthere be to go,where you
were not already present)no energy,as such,but potentuality,but no
actuality!What then you mayask,wouldbe there? No-thing!No I propose
that what would be there would be LIFE-ITS SELF,of which we know
absolutly no-thing about,and that to us shines like a dark flame,that is
some of what I propose.
more later.

kindest regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

I think you are on to something Michael. I think the all is real and we are steeped in illusion (just think of the appearance of colour, for instance!). I will, however, borrow from something someone else said in another thread and paraphrase it-Once you have defined the Way you have lost the Way. I think the all is all there is, but there is every-thing. So there is actual energy and also potential. I think this dimension is the actual stuff. The rest is unrealized potential (by choice, I think). Whatever you call it, LIFE-ITSELF-or Goddess, or the Great Spirit or the Creator, it is unity and harmony and light and life.
One thing, you have mentioned the dark flame a few times and I don't get it, could you spell it out for me?

[mkirkpatrick]

H.G. the reference I make to a darkflame
is really much likea cypher,a name for that which is nameless!

kindest regardsmichael.

[zeroca]

I almost fully share this opinion. What can I add?
The state, when omnipresent was alone, i.e. was “within itself”, didn’t last within time and there was no 3D space. How can we imagine such state? We can do it by imagining it as a single material point without measures, but alas! Our mind is restricted to imagine any phenomenon without bind it to 3D space (even completely empty one).
How long lasted such state of motionless?
As there wasn’t any change, so such state didn’t last inside time! – That’s to say such state didn’t take place within time (as time didn’t exist), and if there any kind of changes were expected, they were expected at once.
What kind of changes could happen within nothingness? I wouldn’t like to argue with anybody, but I believe that it was splitting of nothingness into two equal and opposite phenomena (or rather two mentioned kind of processes), as there wasn’t any other credibility within zero, and at present these born phenomena take place freely within 3D space and time,
A great part of people don’t believe such tale, but as for me I do!

Even my conclusion that if told by me above is right, so we have this motionless nothingness “at hand”, and there must be some mechanism to use it as a main regularity to ease the motion-full universe, and such system really exists and really works!!!!
Regards,
--Zeroca

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks for your kind comments.
kindest regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Yes only one, but doesn't duality come from one? I have started to believe that life is actually waves, caused by tension between 2 aspects that come from one. If one was without duality, did we invent it ourselves? just thinking out loud...

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Yes only one, but doesn't duality come from one? I have started to believe that life is actually waves, caused by tension between 2 aspects that come from one. If one was without duality, did we invent it ourselves? just thinking out loud...

In a way yes we did?Life-waves!
that our potentual waves,in the unmanifested allthing,and life waves that exit
into the realitive universe,via the Protyle atom-Singularity.that become manifested,what! Energy for want of better word.This forms the duality that
you mention,although,this duality expresses itself in a Trinity??


kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Michael, are you saying that the life-waves (for lack of a better term!) emanate from the one by way of trinity? Because I don't understand this. Ohh, unless trinity is the tension between the 3 dimesions....but then wouldn't there be another medium for time?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Michael, are you saying that the life-waves (for lack of a better term!) emanate from the one by way of trinity? Because I don't understand this. Ohh, unless trinity is the tension between the 3 dimesions....but then wouldn't there be another medium for time?

Yes
a trinity in the realitive universe,you could also express this as ying and yang
one being negitive,one postive,and the third equlibrium.nuetral,a balancer of
the other two,making of course the trident of appearance.But in the absolute
allness-there is but One.

kindest regards michael.

[baudrunner]

Oh, I see. So where ± = neutral, or equilibrium therefore ...

Sk p(yin,yang) q(yang,yin) - q(yin,yang) p(yang,yin) = ± ...(?!?!?!)

but hang on, something's not right..