'Thought' is an energy form.

[labelwench]

The brain and it's workings are still not well understood by science, even with the technologies that allow us to perform brain surgery and advanced Prosthetics.

What, precisely, is a 'thought'?

I would suggest that it is a form of energy that the brain is able to manipulate, it's source being the fundamental substance or field that surrounds all.

All animals and plants likewise have access to this energy, and in the case of more advanced life forms, as an example domestic species, we can actually communicate, at a basic level, by means of this energy.

No hocus-pocus.

Various instrumentation has indeed measured that there is a bio-magnetic (for lack of better wording) energy field by which insects, birds and mammals migrate, an orientation device.

This same general principle allows us to 'think' at and between each other to greater and lessor degree.

I have utilized this understanding in selecting and breeding animals that are receptive to such interaction with humans, as I perceive such a trait to be advantageous to both species in a resource challenged future.

[Bogie]

The brain and it's workings are still not well understood by science, even with the technologies that allow us to perform brain surgery and advanced Prosthetics.

What, precisely, is a 'thought'?

I would suggest that it is a form of energy that the brain is able to manipulate, it's source being the fundamental substance or field that surrounds all.

All animals and plants likewise have access to this energy, and in the case of more advanced life forms, as an example domestic species, we can actually communicate, at a basic level, by means of this energy.

No hocus-pocus.

Various instrumentation has indeed measured that there is a bio-magnetic (for lack of better wording) energy field by which insects, birds and mammals migrate, an orientation device.

This same general principle allows us to 'think' at and between each other to greater and lessor degree.

I have utilized this understanding in selecting and breeding animals that are receptive to such interaction with humans, as I perceive such a trait to be advantageous to both species in a resource challenged future.

Agreed, it is not hocus-pocus to suggest that thought is a form of energy or that the source energy may be the background energy that is presumed to fill all space and that is in motion in all directions at all points in space at all times, and that it can be manipulated in our brain, presumably with free reign during consciousness, and with some motor functions to operate 24/7.

That was a mouthful but I wanted to agree with your premise. You have me wondering about your last sentence about receptive interaction but I won't read anything into it. Instead I would ask if it is something that might be worded differently?

[Graybeard]

What, precisely, is a 'thought'?

I would suggest that it is a form of energy

it is not hocus-pocus to suggest that thought is a form of energy

Energy is a measurement not an entity ??

greg

[labelwench]

Energy is a measurement not an entity ??

greg

Forum Introduction

In this forum you must assume something to be true and then proceed with your argument. All other posters to the thread must not question the assumption since it has effectively been removed from the discussion. The goal is to place some constraints on reality to better focus on particular issues.

Please clearly state the assumption you are making in your thread title. In the body of your post you should give further elaboration on your assumption.

My assumption, clearly stated in the title, is to give 'form' to energy.

Please work with this concept on this thread.

My premise is not entirely unsupported.

In biology, energy is an attribute of all biological systems from the biosphere to the smallest living organism. Within an organism it is responsible for growth and development of a biological cell or an organelle of a biological organism. Energy is thus often said to be stored by cells in the structures of molecules of substances such as carbohydrates (including sugars), lipids, and proteins, which release energy when reacted with oxygen in respiration. In human terms, the human equivalent (H-e) (Human energy conversion) indicates, for a given amount of energy expenditure, the relative quantity of energy needed for human metabolism, assuming an average human energy expenditure of 12,500kJ per day and a basal metabolic rate of 80 watts. For example, if our bodies run (on average) at 80 watts, then a light bulb running at 100 watts is running at 1.25 human equivalents (100 ÷ 80) i.e. 1.25 H-e. For a difficult task of only a few seconds' duration, a person can put out thousands of watts, many times the 746 watts in one official horsepower. For tasks lasting a few minutes, a fit human can generate perhaps 1,000 watts. For an activity that must be sustained for an hour, output drops to around 300; for an activity kept up all day, 150 watts is about the maximum.[7] The human equivalent assists understanding of energy flows in physical and biological systems by expressing energy units in human terms: it provides a “feel” for the use of a given amount of energy[8]

[labelwench]

Agreed, it is not hocus-pocus to suggest that thought is a form of energy or that the source energy may be the background energy that is presumed to fill all space and that is in motion in all directions at all points in space at all times, and that it can be manipulated in our brain, presumably with free reign during consciousness, and with some motor functions to operate 24/7.

That was a mouthful but I wanted to agree with your premise. You have me wondering about your last sentence about receptive interaction but I won't read anything into it. Instead I would ask if it is something that might be worded differently?

I have used the term 'receptive TO interaction' and the interjection of the word TO makes all the difference to the premise.

Some people are incredibly 'sensitive' to the energy in their environment, and many domestic animals are likewise sensitive in the respect that they can hear, see and smell, as example, in ranges beyond what humans are normally capable of. Brain waves are now measurable, to some degree, even though we may not be in total understanding of that which we measure.

Horses also have brains, and I would extrapolate that these also have measurable brain waves.

It is my premise that some persons and some species are capable of being aware of each others brain energy, and that this awareness may be capable of fostering a more productive relationship between and within species. I might suggest, also, that in the seeking of any relationship, we are actually seeking a compatibility of this energy that is manifest in 'thought'.

This is not to suggest that all 'ideas' must be compatible for successful relationships, merely the energy or style of it's communication be within acceptable tolerances.

[melanie]

Hi Lorrina

I know one things for sure and that is thought never seems to stop thinking.

But where do thoughts come from, maybe the brain, but then again the brain is just another thought.

Do we generate our own thoughts? I don't think we do.If we did then you would choose every thought,
and you certainly wouldn't choose evil or negative thoughts.
Thoughts arise uninvited, and you appear to be conscious of them, however your thoughts are not generated by you,
but each thought defines who you think you are.
You can claim them as your thoughts but they are obviously something that you have no control of
and if you have no control how can they be claimed as yours.

You have no control of them because you are not of consciousness, consciousness is of you.
Being of consciousness just means that you are self defining, you have choice in all matters pertaining to you.
Your feelings, your thoughts, your ideas, your intelligence level, your desires, your physical attributes and abilities.
All of these things are defined by consciousness and so is this you that you think you are - consciousness is of you.

These thoughts and ideas bubble up from the depths of consciousness and then dissolve again without a trace,
so too is the idea of this you, just another thought in consciousness that appears, lingers for a while, then disappears without a trace.
You are not this consciousness, this consciousness is you.

Consciousness cannot be located, yet all locations appear in it.

Consciousness cannot be seen, yet seeing appears in it.

Consciousness cannot be tasted, yet all taste appears in it.

Consciousness cannot be felt, yet all feeling appears in it.

We will never know what generates our thoughts, for we only exist as a thought.

All the objects in the world you see around you are impressions, kind of like frozen snapshots. Thinking pictures created by thought.IMO

And its all very grand indeed, i'm quite impressed by it all.

[Mr. Ignorant]

Hi Lorrina

I know one things for sure and that is thought never seems to stop thinking.

But where do thoughts come from, maybe the brain, but then again the brain is just another thought.

Do we generate our own thoughts? I don't think we do.If we did then you would choose every thought,
and you certainly wouldn't choose evil or negative thoughts.
Thoughts arise uninvited, and you appear to be conscious of them, however your thoughts are not generated by you,
but each thought defines who you think you are.
You can claim them as your thoughts but they are obviously something that you have no control of
and if you have no control how can they be claimed as yours.

You have no control of them because you are not of consciousness, consciousness is of you.
Being of consciousness just means that you are self defining, you have choice in all matters pertaining to you.
Your feelings, your thoughts, your ideas, your intelligence level, your desires, your physical attributes and abilities.
All of these things are defined by consciousness and so is this you that you think you are - consciousness is of you.

These thoughts and ideas bubble up from the depths of consciousness and then dissolve again without a trace,
so too is the idea of this you, just another thought in consciousness that appears, lingers for a while, then disappears without a trace.
You are not this consciousness, this consciousness is you.

Consciousness cannot be located, yet all locations appear in it.

Consciousness cannot be seen, yet seeing appears in it.

Consciousness cannot be tasted, yet all taste appears in it.

Consciousness cannot be felt, yet all feeling appears in it.

We will never know what generates our thoughts, for we only exist as a thought.

All the objects in the world you see around you are impressions, kind of like frozen snapshots. Thinking pictures created by thought.IMO

And its all very grand indeed, i'm quite impressed by it all.

I believe that thoughts can be chosen, but it's constrained like an electron in superposition is constrained to just a few possible positions. However a choice can still be made between these possible positions. I believe by our free will we can escape most negative thoughts and feelings, but it's not easy. We can't choose everything. By choosing wisely we can direct our thoughts to be more positive. It may not always be obvious what is good and bad. Sometimes we think things are good because they're fun, like smoking a joint, but this can result in an addiction. Sometimes we must go through some pain so that we can escape it.

[Bogie]

Energy is a measurement not an entity ??

greg

So you defend the measurement of something that doesn't other wise exist?

[Bogie]

I believe that thoughts can be chosen, but it's constrained like an electron in superposition is constrained to just a few possible positions. However a choice can still be made between these possible positions. I believe by our free will we can escape most negative thoughts and feelings, but it's not easy. We can't choose everything. By choosing wisely we can direct our thoughts to be more positive. It may not always be obvious what is good and bad. Sometimes we think things are good because they're fun, like smoking a joint, but this can result in an addiction. Sometimes we must go through some pain so that we can escape it.

Though I hesitate to agree, at least in an open forum, on the joint issue, I would not pass judgment. I do pass favorable judgment on the rest.

In support of that I sometimes find myself having thoughts and acting on them or deciding not to act on them and even scolding myself for even bringing them up, lol. But I think the brain is equipped to look out for us in ways that require 24/7 attention and in a world where attention deficits abound that is a good thing. Perhaps unwanted thoughts are a product of that 24/7 defense system which is designed to bring threats or cautions to our consciousness.

For example, say you love your critters and are clearly emotionally attached. Have you ever all of a sudden asked yourself how you would deal with the loss of a critter you love, and then immediately put the thought out of your mind because it was too emotionally loaded and you will 'just deal with it' if it occurs? My premise is that the thought was generated by your subconscious in its defensive role because at that level it knows that you should begin to prepare for eventualities that are certain to cause you grief.

[melanie]

I believe that thoughts can be chosen, but it's constrained like an electron in superposition is constrained to just a few possible positions. However a choice can still be made between these possible positions. I believe by our free will we can escape most negative thoughts and feelings, but it's not easy. We can't choose everything. By choosing wisely we can direct our thoughts to be more positive. It may not always be obvious what is good and bad. Sometimes we think things are good because they're fun, like smoking a joint, but this can result in an addiction. Sometimes we must go through some pain so that we can escape it.

We cannot escape the space we're in.

The concept of 'you' IS the concept of 'choice', no difference.....Or The observer is the observed.



All apparent decisions and choices are thoughts.
To act upon a thought feels like choice and is labeled choice by the language,
but choice is really just the expression of whatever thought arises most predominantly.
Thoughts spontaneously happen.
This is not to say that I am an apparatus without free will.
There is actually no individual here to be deprived of free will.
The thought of 'I' merely unfolds as a manifestation of the animating energy of Pure Awareness.

From this perspective, there is a sense that life is simply
living, thinking, and acting through you and as you.
The Taoists call this Wu Wei, which loosely translates as non-doing.
This does not mean doing nothing in the sense of
inertia, but rather that everything – including 'your' thoughts and actions – is happening naturally and of its own accord.

Lao Tsu describes it in the Tao Te Ching as follows:

Tao, without doing anything,
Leaves nothing undone.

And again:

Less and less is done,
Till only non-action remains.
Nothing is done, yet nothing is left undone.

In Buddha’s words:
Suffering exists, but none who suffer,
The deed there is, but no doer thereof.