ToeQuest - Blogs http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/ en Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:49:55 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.toequest.com/forum/images/misc/rss.jpg ToeQuest - Blogs http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/ Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/955-living-full-life.html Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:43:42 GMT *ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-146* *Shantnu *Then what is it that enjoys or produces pleasure? *Umeshwari *It is the mind. In food also when we eat some dish, tongue only tastes its sweetness/sourness and immediately sends message to the brain. Mind discriminates the tastes and decides... ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-146
Shantnu Then what is it that enjoys or produces pleasure?
Umeshwari It is the mind. In food also when we eat some dish, tongue only tastes its sweetness/sourness and immediately sends message to the brain. Mind discriminates the tastes and decides which dish the most was deliciously prepared. It is the mind that does the comparison and develops its standards. It is the mind that impels sense of smell and taste and induces watering of the tongue.
Some way ears, nose, hands are also discharging the functions of the body. Their faculties of hearing, smell and touch are the communicating tools of the mind. You take away the mind; the bearer is immediately bereft of his friends. A fool though, tastes, smells, hears, touches and sees but he does not enjoy and discriminate their fruits. He does not derive pleasure out of them.
Whenever our sense organs discharge any act, their subtle bodies (senses) convey their experiences to the brain which stores all data collected through sense organs. It is the mind that does the comparison and sets it definition of pleasure.
Shantnu You say, it is the mind that seeks pleasure, sense organs or senses play the role of observation only.
Umeshwari Sense organs are vital parts of body machine. Body is only a machine. It is the mind that controls it and runs it according to its whims.
Shantnu If as you say, mind gets pleasure, then its composition should be solid whereas it is subtle/invisible.
Umeshwari Even senses are subtle and the messages of observations they transmit to the mind through brain are invisible.
Shantnu My eyes see her beautiful body, my nose smells her, my hands caresses her soft silken body. All these heighten my attraction towards her and I want to love her.
Umeshwari You want to have sexual relations with her, but why? If she is beautiful, can’t you react towards her as you do towards other beautiful things of the world?
Shantnu But human body is different. It is not insentient like other things in nature.
Umeshwari But we are part of the nature or rather I would say, an extension of nature. Leave that, come to the point, what would you do with the woman.
Shantnu Naturally, I would hold her in my arms, perhaps make love with her.
Umeshwari Now I do the explaining. You would hold her, means, you would possess her body about which you senses have signaled to the mind and it has created a desire in you to possess her and get pleasure out of her. But during the act, your body is simply functioning as a machine and your mind is trying to get the imagined pleasure. After the act, you body is limp and mind wanders away. It shows your attractions were momentary. Your pleasure is only in possesses the body not in the actual act. Otherwise your mind would remain attached to her. If in case, you still have attraction for your partner, then it is not in the body but in something else, which is not the body?
Often we indulge in the act but our mind is making love with someone else. So it was not getting pleasure from the present partner but from the partner of his imagination.
Shantnu So it is the mind that is the real master and not the senses as I thought. But tell me how we come in the permanent state of pleasure.
Umeshwari As long as we are in the subjugation of mind, we can’t have permanent state of pleasure. But we can have bouts of pleasure if we keep our senses clean, unbiased and untouched. That is possible only if we observe world honestly, not influenced by the mind. Mind makes us see, smell, touch, hear, and taste only those things which it likes. We must observe the objects as they are; not as they should be. We should not allow our mind to superimpose or we would have a tinted view of the world and shall be monitored by mind which is a wile master. And we will be forced to live in a world which is not real but projected by the mind.
Shantnu But still you have not told me, how we reach the pleasure-state.
Umeshwari When our senses are in natural state, unaffected by mind or the outer influences!
Tbc… ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/955-living-full-life.html Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/954-living-full-life.html Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:40:29 GMT *ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-145* *Shantnu *I have learnt my first lesson, my charming lady, what is the next one, please continue? *Umeshwari *Now we come to taste, we waste too much food and money to give us pleasure of taste. We forget, we eat to live, not live to eat. *Shantnu... ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-145
Shantnu I have learnt my first lesson, my charming lady, what is the next one, please continue?
Umeshwari Now we come to taste, we waste too much food and money to give us pleasure of taste. We forget, we eat to live, not live to eat.
Shantnu But how food affects our body?
Umeshwari You know, of the 83, 99,999 species of living beings, only man eats cooked food. Please note, when I use the word ‘man’ it includes woman, of course. Also we eat meat of living beings. It is unnatural to eat cooked food and kill animals and eat them. It was natural to eat meat, when man was evolving from animal state but when he has come of age after living through so many civilizations, matured through as many cultures, is it wise for him to behave like animals? At least, we must imitate animals and eat not to gorge our bellies and satisfy our palates but to just sustain them.
Our tongue is the most important step in the advancement of man, in his journey to realization. It has two functions to discharge. It tastes and talks. For its tastes, it impels man (or it is the mind that does the dictating) to place before it scores of courses of food. Highly qualified chefs are engaged to prepare delicious dishes, extravagantly decorated on vast dining tables. For a table of four, nearly a fortune is spent, enough for a poor family to live on for a year. But to what purpose, all this labor when all that is eaten shall be out of the body as waste, whose smell its producer cannot stand? Too much eating is also harmful for the upkeep of the body. It ushers in many desires. Gluttons live not long. Moreover, it keeps the man in the shackles of sense organs. It breeds negative (Tamasic) tendencies. No glutton has ever made into a genius or a master. So, we should take food according to necessity, only to satisfy our hunger of bodies, not quench the inexhaustible hunger of taste.
The second function of tongue is the faculty of talk. The original purpose of speech was to communicate our needs and share our experiences. We graduated from sign language to talk and to present day languages. We shall discuss about the evolution from sound to scripts, later. Now we shall confine ourselves to its physical functions only. Now we go on talking and talking, blabbering out meaningless talk, which has no relevance to our existence. We have devalued its significance and use it simply to mesmerize others. It was meant to convey the beauty in the symphony of nature. Sweetness was it nature and sweet, musical words should come from it in place of vulgar vocabulary. We should talk less and listen more. We are basically, learners. No one has mastered the nature, so what is there to talk. Even Masters, who are aware, use it very wisely. They know it tarnishes the language of their thoughts. They communicate in subtle ways for they know human vocabulary is incomplete to express nature and it also wastes precious energy. To preserve energy and to prevent quarrels, embarrassment, spreading of ignorance, it should be used minimally only to convey what is most essential, not to impress others.
Shantnu You are gradually negating every sense organ. Where are you trying to lead to?
Umeshwari Eyes are meant to remove physical blindness of man and to enjoy the beauties of nature but we are also using them for petty and lower purposes. Now tell me, how do you use them?
Shantnu I use them for a very special purpose. I disrobe every woman I see. My eyes remove their clothes and see beauty underneath them. They are a classic means to be holding beautiful bodies and enjoy their charms.
Umeshwari Your eyes are mere organs. They can only see but cannot react. It is the faculty of sight in them that makes them see, so is the sense of sight that observes but is also cannot have pleasure as it lacks qualities of discrimination. Sight itself is incapable to decide whether a scene or an object is pleasing or displeasing. It is again the mind that enjoys the pleasure. In food also, it was the mind not the tongue that enjoys.
Shantnu But eyes and tongue have their reactions. Eyes react to all the elements, wind, cold, heat, water, etc. and they flutter accordingly.
Umeshwari These are biological reactions which do not induce pleasure.
Tbc… ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/954-living-full-life.html Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/953-living-full-life.html Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:22:38 GMT *ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-144* *Shantnu *But how I am going to restore to my normalcy? *Umeshwari *That will come in due course when you have understood the functions of the sense organs. *Shantnu *I am afraid that when I become normal, I may not lose the newly acquired faculties... ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-144
Shantnu But how I am going to restore to my normalcy?
Umeshwari That will come in due course when you have understood the functions of the sense organs.
Shantnu I am afraid that when I become normal, I may not lose the newly acquired faculties of my senses. Now I can hear the noise of the termites in those trees. I can also observe the mental state of Gopi and his lovely-wife. I am reading their thoughts about their son, who is studying at Shimla. They are anxious to see him!
Umeshwari Have no fear, you will maintain them, and rather you would cultivate them for the higher purposes.
Shantnu How that shall happen, pray, tell me?
Umeshwari When you rise above them, that is, when you have their understanding, you automatically go to the mental (intellectual) level. Your body does not, then, observes, it is your mind which does the observation. It observes your body and the world around it.
Shantnu But the world is observed through the sense organs.
Umeshwari It becomes secondary. But this will come later; first let us know about your present condition. Now tell me how pleasure comes through senses?
Shantnu As you yourself have said, though I have attained the optimum level of my senses, I am reveling in the pleasure of passions only. Though women have been using me, lately, I derive no pleasure by the sensual act, because I am living in that state already.
Umeshwari You are aware that there are certain areas in human bodies, which when touched, instigate the sensual desire in us. On touching or caressing these sensitive areas, we feel a sensation that creates activity in the muscles of our vital organs, which start contracting, neutralizing, again contracting and then ejaculation and spasm. The same process our bodies go through while engaged in sexual act. Now the question arises, how the other partner helps in the fulfillment of the act? All this could be produced by self-indulgence …!
Shantnu But that is unnatural.
Umeshwari That is what I am deriving at. We are merely wasting our energy and time on unnatural means. We should be natural. Being natural, I mean, normal. Now tell me, when you say, you are in love with me, you really imply by it my body. Why do you want my body, when you are already dozing in spasmtic condition?
Shantnu As I have already said, you are extremely beautiful and anyone would like to touch you.
Umeshwari That shows, you are attracted to my body. It is not the love that attracts you towards me!
Shantnu But body fosters love.
Umeshwari If you see another woman, who is more beautiful than me you will naturally be attracted to her also.
Shantnu May be, may be not.
Umeshwari Come on, don’t dodge.
Shantnu Yes. I would go to her.
Umeshwari Thanks for being honest. It is clear then, it is body that attracts you, not the person who behold that body.
Shantnu Body has no relations. It behaves natural ly.
Umeshwari It must behave natural but what is natural?
Shantnu To love each other, what else?
Umeshwari But that is not natural. Sexual act was meant only for procreation. Even animals indulge in sex for regeneration only. Why human use it for pleasure, when nature meant it for procreation only?
Shantnu If a thing gives us pleasure we must use it.
Umeshwari I have already told you, the pleasure does not come from the other partner, it comes from our own indulgence. Then what is it that we seek from the partner? It is definitely not her/his body we use for pleasure. It is something else.
Shantnu And what is that?
Umeshwari It is our own projections that we seek in others. We seek in others, our projection of pleasure, joy and love. We have pleasure in us--- which we have experienced due to our own self-indulgence or through metal flights---we want it to be reciprocated! If the partner bounces it back, we say, pleasure has been attained. If not, we are disappointed.
Shantnu You mean to say, it is our own pleasure that we seek in others.
Umeshwari Exactly. Now suppose if you are not aroused, would you get any sexual pleasure from your partner.
Shantnu Of course, not.
Umeshwari Then, it is clear, sexual act or mutual company does not itself, give us pleasure. Moreover, you might have heard or read that people hurt each other, use gadgets to derive pleasure. They become more brutal and pervert but the pleasure they seek does not come. Because pleasure is not in bodies! Had it been so, they would derive it from one body and not wander around, hurting, killing innocent people! You also know, suppressed or unfulfilled sexual desires have caused countless wars. They were, all searching for pleasure at wrong places. It was, as always, in them and they were seeking it without. That is why, it would not come to them or what they thought was the pleasure, brought about by perverted means, would not last long. Pleasure is something else; it would not come only through sex. ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/953-living-full-life.html Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/951-living-full-life.html Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:55:46 GMT *ls workshop) ………-143* *Umeshwari *Then, for you, waves of civilizations have existed for sometime and vanished for ever, making no improvement or advance in the journey of mankind. *Shantnu *Results are before you. Like animals we were in stone-age, bestial we still are in the end of... ls workshop) ………-143
Umeshwari Then, for you, waves of civilizations have existed for sometime and vanished for ever, making no improvement or advance in the journey of mankind.
Shantnu Results are before you. Like animals we were in stone-age, bestial we still are in the end of twentieth century. You must remember, how many wars, and conflicts took place during this century. How many millions of people were killed in those wars’? If the words, you use, as mind, conscience, religion intellect, wisdom, should etc., had any effect, would we be so, as we are today? Whatever thought, philosophy we may flout, it is for our leisure and consumption only. We have learnt nothing from them and we will learn nothing in future, human journey began in gross and it will end in gross.
Umeshwari Then let me be your pupil and start my teaching from gross. I shall be a willing pupil and would docilely submit to your logic. I promise, if you convince me about your way of thinking, I will throw away my saffron gown and the Guru in the down flowing river Parvati and would follow you to the nether worlds happily!
Shantnu It is an extreme consciousness of objective world viewed or felt through senses.
Umeshwari But that is possible only if we are normal and balanced. You know, nature or its objects are vested with three qualities of Truth (Purity), Happiness (material world), and pleasure (gross/sensual); and it (nature) is made up of particles which are composed of both positive and negative energy. These energy fields of positive/negative are highly susceptible to the type of life we lead and these can also superficially, charge our life style by the implementation of artificial means.
Shantnu You are trying to infer the energy fields can be increased or decreased by the comparative intensity of positive/negative charge of energy.
Umeshwari Exactly.
Shantnu Kindly elaborate.
Umeshwari The three qualities of truth, passion and sloth (Sato, Rajo and Tamo) are equally vested in nature and its objects. But energy charge in objects can increase or decrease by outer/inner influences. Living a balanced normal life, one assumes a quality life of truth (righteousness); around him, positive field expands, but if sensual tendencies take over, negative field expands and one leads a lower life than the normal.
Shantnu You mean, if we live by the book, we acquire higher quality of life, otherwise we are doomed!
Umeshwari I did not say that; I mean, if we do not keep our energy fields balanced by keeping our senses in normal conditions without instigating them to extreme heights by artificial means of intoxicants, drugs etc., we are liable to increase our field of negative charge and lead ourselves towards degradation. That is, when positive field increases by artificial means, we are superficially happy. And when negative charge increases, we are living a life of perversion. Artificial happiness and superficial perversion both are not normal states. And if we live in acquired states, these are not a normal.
Shantnu I have understood your message. I am now in a superficial state of pleasure, acquired by artificial means, which is not normal. Hence I am not in a normal state!
Umeshwari This is the problem with us, being not in normal conditions, we consider ourselves quite normal. We always project ourselves a knowledgeable; when the fact is we know nothing. We take your case: through that experiment, your senses and organs have heightened to the optimum condition; pumping heavy dozes of energy your mind has been mugged and you have become a live dynamo, predominated only by passion. You may not feel inside the sexual urge but your whole self is charged with passion and you are living in its fulfillment which you name as pleasure-state. The difference between you and a drug-addict is slight. A person under the influence of drugs also feels high but his senses are subdued. But the mind is mugged in both the cases.
Tbc …… ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/951-living-full-life.html East Meets West Logic... http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/lloyd-gillespie/949-east-meets-west-logic.html Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:04:57 GMT ---Quote (Originally by Lloyd Gillespie)--- Hi Leskey, thought I’d expand a bit further on your thoughts in this post, as I see both sides of the mind making vast mistakes of processing, not only its own information, but not understanding the information potential of the opposite sides of its...
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Hi Leskey, thought I’d expand a bit further on your thoughts in this post, as I see both sides of the mind making vast mistakes of processing, not only its own information, but not understanding the information potential of the opposite sides of its chosen mental states. Imo, reason sees not only not enough of its own position, but even sees far less of logic’s position, and logic sees not only not enough of its own position, but even sees far less of reason’s position__and herein lies all our dis-agreements…

Now, right here is what I’m talking about. Due to the fact the mind of either hemisphere has access to the full processing capacity of both sides, it’s not the fact logic processes as you state. The fact is that some choose to process as stated above, while others of even the logic side choose to process the mind fully, while prioritizing the left hemisphere over the right, while others of the logic side may prioritize the importance of both hemispheres, it’s usually quite impossible to make this point, as the right hemisphere, due to its personal preferences, will only see what it wants of what is actually said or written, due to its own incapacities(choice or habit) to integrate the two hemispheres, themselves. So, there’s a great problem of both sides self-prejudicing their own information systems.

One more item for the reason side to recognize is the fact that logic processes it’s information to the ‘systems survival level’ and realizes the ‘systems comfort level’, of the reason mind, is an option, just as decorations on a Christmass tree. Now, this may seem crude to the right brained individual, but the right brained individual usually doesn’t realize its information of the ‘systems comfort level’ must be processed up to the ‘systems survival level’ of the logic mind, for the logic mind to even begin to hear the reason mind. The reason mind doesn’t usually realize this fact, and ends complaining about the logic mind not listening to them, when in fact the logic mind is just waiting for the reason mind to realize it must present fully formed law of its desires, to be of value to the ‘systems survival level’ of social action. And this, the right brained reasoning level of the ‘systems comfort level’ usually refuses to do. Also, the reasoning level mind needs to know and understand the ‘systems survival level’ mind to be affective/effective with its legislative attempts__It can’t be just super-ficial emotional values__It must be ‘true scientific survival values’, for the ‘systems survival level’ logic mind to even begin to listen, to the ‘systems comfort level’ reason mind. I’ve even mentioned this to many people in the general public, through the years, yet most do not even begin to understand what I’m actually saying__But, these are the facts, as bad as the right brained individual may want to dispute them.

And here the same goes for the right side reasoning as the left side statement above. Though the reasoning side may process from present to future, it always has the same full capacity to process all past to future states into the present, but it just doesn’t choose to. This is completely a personal choice, as the will which acts the intellect and emotions, is a quantum induction process, right at the initial uncertainty level of original thought choices. One always has the full choice to initially choose which side of the mind to process information from, or both, or all three, by unifying these processes. So, it seems it’s just an initial self-prejudice that’s creating all the problems. So, the simple solution would be to broaden the perspective of the will’s own self-processing choices. This is easily done if one just recognizes their own initial choices, which I mentioned way back in this thread, and was clearly laid out in this diagram: Link Notice, in the top center box, the isomorphic choice between psychology and logic, at the very uncertainty level of initial choice function. It’s also mentioned in many more of my related graphics, spread all throughout this thread, and my philosophy thread__but, people see and hear what they want to, instead of what is__And herein lies humanity’s greatest of problems…

And as I already stated: We’re all waiting for the unification of left and right hemispheres, but everyone seems to think someone else must do it, instead of it being a universal effort by all of us, to expand our own mind’s processing scope__to include just as much of the opposing views, as our own__Then maybe, we can all start communicating a bit more maturely, by seeing and hearing all others. And don’t get me wrong Lesley__We are all guilty of this, and all have been ignoring the greater reasoning modalities, and greater logic modalities of the opposing sides__as a matter of fact upon just realizing__reasoning modalities have never been fully developed as a study, to successfully compete with modal logic’s reasonings__This must be done…rrr
]]> Lloyd Gillespie http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/lloyd-gillespie/949-east-meets-west-logic.html East Meets West Logic... http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/lloyd-gillespie/948-east-meets-west-logic.html Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:51:37 GMT
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I'll have to get back later with a full post, as our WiFi got partially knocked out by lightning. For now I'll just post the central tenet of my next post...

I've just recently discovered a major hole in logic that's not been addressed by anyone, which also relates to many of your recent ideas in these last posts. For now I'll just state that the mind is stereoscopic, in that the two hemispheres always produce two images of all representations of ideas, and that's the two selfs talking to each other as two individual concepts, but the mind only recognizes one at a time, yet when the two concepts are fully brought to bear in aware consciousness, it is like the wave collapse of these two concepts into one clear vision, according to which side of the stereoscopic brain takes control/precedence over the initial concepts. This is exactly what Peirce was working on when he died, as stereoscopic movies had recently become the rage of the world...

Here's a central universal algorithm I'm working on fully interpreting:

The universal algorithm of isomorphic logic of the possibilia__Uncertainty is the exactness of the complexity of exact logic...

The above allows an entirely new interpretation of exact and necessary logic to: A new open values' inductive logic__which includes the full processing of right brained reason into left brained logic, thus uniting the two hemishperes, into an entirely new triadic interpretation of evolutionary logic and reasons of...

It amounts to 'the necessity of the uncertainty of logic', in the fact that the possibilia of rational evolution and 'Habitus' can now be included as a future path of total understanding between the two hemispheres of psychology and logic, by 'goal' orientations.

This is so far very preliminary and crude, but I'm working all of the newest Peirce re-interpretations, with all the modern investigators together...

Much more later...rrr

P.s.
The triadic exists as a necessity, because a final interpreter is required to settle the differences of the two hemispheres, which lies in the uncertainty principle's mechanics of initial complexity, into sound reasoning and logic. Any machine is always governed by its initial uncertainties of actions and reactions__the initial stage of its evolution, just as is the mind, yet we still have free choice within certain constraints...
]]> Lloyd Gillespie http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/lloyd-gillespie/948-east-meets-west-logic.html <![CDATA[".....light is in me....."]]> http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/947-light-me.html Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:01:12 GMT Mind is vaster than vast Brahmand (But) encounters its boundary in trice Its imagination is faster than any speed It reaches in split seconds all that exist or does not exist In its power lies all cosmos, matter or non-matter ... Mind is vaster than vast Brahmand
(But) encounters its boundary in trice
Its imagination is faster than any speed
It reaches in split seconds all that exist or does not exist
In its power lies all cosmos, matter or non-matter
Its limits are limitless – grasp unparallel!
Controlling its vagaries, imagination an’ fantasy
Matching will power (is) called for
Who has this will power except a renunciate?
Who shuns the material but revel it its Maker!
Mind being vexed with phenomenal world roams without the body ever
It pervades Nature, being its conscious entity
Bringing it back, confining (it) to body would entail detachment
A feat only a super-power could perform!
Will connotes desire, whose nature is to multiply
Its antidote is desire-lessness – insurmountable feat!
Only a mind whose conscious is merged in external conscious
Who is Aware – a personification of Supra-Conscious!
Such an entity is worthy to be called a Guru
Where he is to be found?
He resides in us all – inner conscience of all
Realizing this small truth ocean of wisdom is recalled.


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]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/947-light-me.html Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/944-living-full-life.html Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:28:12 GMT ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-142 She then told him, how he was brought to the hotel, and had physical contact with Devyana and its after effects … ‘The later I know. ‘And he smiled. ‘Then why did you touch me’? She asked shyly. ‘Umeshwari, you are so beautiful I simply could... ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-142
She then told him, how he was brought to the hotel, and had physical contact with Devyana and its after effects …
‘The later I know. ‘And he smiled.
‘Then why did you touch me’? She asked shyly.
‘Umeshwari, you are so beautiful I simply could not resist touching you. You know, we both are above body consciousness. You have attained this level due to meditation and self-realization by applying your extra ordinary intelligence. And I have reached this state after going through that sensual experience. As I am in perpetual state of orgasm, I don’t require sexual experience any more.
‘How do you feel about your present state, try to explain it? She implored him.
‘My charming lady, I am feeling thrills, every second of the day. Awake, sleeping or while walking, I am going and going as if shooting the …..every moment. I can not explain it fully but my feelings can convey it to you, if you touch my body. But I warn you, it may not wrap you too like me! Though I would love to hold you in my arms but I am apprehensive about your safety. I suppose, I have fallen in love with you. I hope you will forgive me for my impertinence.’ Being a giant he was feeling small in front of her.
‘I like your frankness but tell me, do you love me or my body’. She coyly asked.
‘What is the difference’? He shot back.
‘By the way, what is your name? I feel embarrassed and impersonal, calling you not by name’. Both were sitting in the lawn. It was a sunny September. Scents of orchard were wafting them from all around. Strangely both were in their barest conditions. She was wearing a see-through gown of satin and the ‘man’ was supporting only a cotton T-shirt and jean pants. Cold mountain forest winds were not producing desired effects upon them. Any body could sense they were immune to cold.
Her servant’s wife Angelee brought them eleven-o-clock tea. Their hut was at far end of the lawns. Her orchard was spaced in five terraces. Her cottage and servant’s hut dotted the third terrace. The location was ideal for her. Even the nearest village, Kasel was two km away. There was an occasional sound of passing vehicles, coming from the road, which was far below her orchard.
Whenever Umeshwari came to her cottage, they lovingly looked after her and comforted her stay, as much as was humanly possible. Day and night, they made themselves available alternatively so that one of them was accessible within Umeshwari’s beckoning.
While sipping tea, the man placed his cup on the cane table and replied to Umeshwari’s query.
‘I have already told you, I have lost my memory. I simply don’t know anything about myself. You may call me by any name, you like’.
‘My master has a good knack for names. He prefers to call his disciple by godly names. So I will call you by the name of Shantnu. Now explain to me your present state of mind. You just had told me that you are unaware of your surroundings. How is that?
‘I feel somehow I am detached from normal life of activity and gone high: That my senses have detached themselves from normal activities and assumed higher state of non-involvement. I feel buoyed up, immersed in supreme pleasure state.
‘You mean you have attained the pleasure-state by activating your senses through that experiment! In other words you are in pleasure state only through your senses. But that is impossible’.
Shantnu Why?
Umeshwari Because, senses are not the only means by which pleasure state is attained. There are other factors, like nature. Now I will revert back to your previous counter-question regarding ‘what is the difference between I and my body. Tell me honestly. Whether you really believe, there is only body, nothing else.
Shantnu The world, that we live in, only contains visible objects. I see only those objects, nothing else.
Umeshwari You see only my body, nothing else?
Shantnu What else is there? You are beautiful woman; any one could fall in love with you.
Umeshwari Anyone could fall in love with me, just seeing my beautiful body? Don’t you think you are equating love with body?
Shantnu It is the body, we fall in love. What else?
Umeshwari Then, in your vocabulary, there are no such words as: mind, religion, conscience, intellect, wisdom and soul.
Shantnu But all these things, if they exist, are in the body.
Umeshwari Tell me, ‘these things exist’ for you or not?
Shantu I have read about them and I am fully aware of their existence. But thousands of tons of useless literature have been written about them. All has been waste of time, paper and ink. We are where we were. Have they contributed any improvement in us? Like waves, we created new thoughts-philosophies; like wave they evaporated. In physical bodies we were, in physical form we are. No change, no improvement.
Tbc……. ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/944-living-full-life.html <![CDATA['.....light is in me.....']]> http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/935-light-me.html Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:58:54 GMT Clapping (of hands) creates sound Negative –positive union ensues Namasmarana –contemplation(on Him) create vibrations Inner-outer dialogue becomes one Soul –Over Soul mergence subsumes all ... Clapping (of hands) creates sound
Negative –positive union ensues
Namasmarana –contemplation(on Him) create vibrations
Inner-outer dialogue becomes one
Soul –Over Soul mergence subsumes all
Eternal bliss engulfs (all) . ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/935-light-me.html Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/929-living-full-life.html Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:15:07 GMT ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-141 Umeshwari often felt incapable, in fully grasping her Master. She probed and further probed the deep meaning of the words her Master spoke. Ultimately, she surrendered herself to her Master’s will. Next day they both were driven to her cottage,... ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-141
Umeshwari often felt incapable, in fully grasping her Master. She probed and further probed the deep meaning of the words her Master spoke. Ultimately, she surrendered herself to her Master’s will.
Next day they both were driven to her cottage, which was situated on the Kulu-Manikaran road. Five years ago her father had gifted her apple orchard of ten hectares on her birth day and she often came there to seek solicitude for meditation purposes.
On the way to orchard, a strange accident took place which still lurked in her mind. The car was being driven by her driver and she was sitting with the ‘man’ on the back seat. They both were silent during the journey. The man was resting against the seat and she was bending her head on knees when suddenly the man cupped her right……. She was immediately charged by the inflow of large volume of electric currents, which literally jolted her bearings. She meekly started at him. But he was looking at her blankly. She wondered if the act was willful! She postponed the inquiry for future and again got lost in her mediation trip.
The log hut was built in the center of the orchard and was looked after by a young couple of the area. It had two bed rooms, a small drawing-cum-dining room and a kitchen. Its rooms had wonderful view of the river-Parvati, which was flowing majestically, quite nearby. They could hear its voices by its contact with the mountains edges.
She led the man to his room. He was still lost in his stance as it was in the early morning when she had gone to Devyana’s room where he was standing still by the windows. The man was really lost or had attained to some Yogic state. She felt zealous of his state, as, though she had spent ten years in the company of master but still had not been able to attain his level of state! She was also, thrilled by his company as it would afford her ample opportunity to know more about him. She silently thanked her Master for she now realized the underlying intent of her master, by affording her this opportunity. Her Master was really a gem and he knew about the needs of his disciples.
She understood her infirmities and joyfully ventured to probe on-coming adventures which would eventually lead her to better her enlightenment.
Though she was aware of her heights in Yogic powers which she had attained after years of mediation and self-inquiry and was capable to remain in joyous state for hours together but she was no match to the wonderful state the man had attained! She also knew that though she could absorb the initial shock of his energy field but had not as yet completely got immune to it. The only way to get immune to his body currents was to get familiarized with him, to surrender to him but on her own terms and not as he desired!
‘But Umeshwari, I will not harm you. I will never assault your modesty like a brute!’ He brokers her reverie.
She blushed. How could he know she was a virgin? Then she remembered that he was a psychopomp..
‘I too am not happy in my present state! My body field is highly charged; first my memory was taken away and now I am unaware of my surroundings. Coming to my present state, I have lost my bearings twice. No doubt, my faculties are sharp and I can sense things more clearly but simultaneously I have lost my bearings with the world.’ The man was suddenly speaking very clearly and had obviously come out of his ‘coma’.
‘But could you come out of your present condition, I wonder’?
‘I think, by understanding my present condition.’ He ventured.
‘What is your real identity, if I am not being very personal?’
‘I really don’t know. I have lost my memory. But I can tell you about the experiment I went through, which has placed in my present condition.’ Then he told her about his adventure with Kamani.
Tbc… ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/929-living-full-life.html Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/928-living-full-life.html Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:11:39 GMT ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-140 His disciples had taken on lease, at a very exorbitant price, a top-class hotel and converted it into a temporary commune for their Master. He was enjoying its serenity though it was costing his disciples a fortune. Though he did seem to enjoy the... ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-140
His disciples had taken on lease, at a very exorbitant price, a top-class hotel and converted it into a temporary commune for their Master. He was enjoying its serenity though it was costing his disciples a fortune. Though he did seem to enjoy the comforts of the material world and engaged them conspicuously, these left no mark on his philosophy.
Umeshwari was originally attracted to her Master by his sheer intellect. He was an intellectual giant in flesh and blood. Thereafter from a mere curious onlooker, she had gradually graduated to a chief disciple. Her Master had observed in her, perseverance competency and commitment to his philosophy. Her Guru too had transformed from a philosopher to a Master, who was living by his gospel. She had also witnessed thousands of disciples, graduating his philosophy and becoming full grown members of the communes. His word had spread to western world and he had become a living gospel.
Though people, ignorant people, criticized his style of living, they did not realize that stream of his followers were from the West so it was logical, he would live in their style! It was just to please them. He loved his followers so he often allowed them to take liberties with him jus out of love.
The media and the politicians, whom he affronted mercilessly, spread foul rumors about him. But he cared less and continued in his style. Dirty propaganda was aired that he spent millions a month whereas his countrymen were dying of starvation, malnutrition and disease!

He also retaliated by openly branding the politicians as a corrupt lot for looting the country and its poor folk.
Such kind of controversies accompanied him wherever he went, and he even seemed to relish in his misery. He was a living legend and he enjoyed it.
Umeshwari often took liberties with her Master by engaging him in dialogues.
‘Guru Dev’ it is said God only incarnates in India, which is a country of Devatas (Gods/Goddesses)’ Umeshwari once asked.
‘Forget about God, concentrate only on yourself. For your realization do you need a place of worship! Billion and billion of rupees have been spent on building places of worship in this country. For centuries country men of this nation had been investing their fortunes in building temples which every invader ransacked and looted. If only they had avoided this colossal waste which ultimately filled the coffers of the invaders and instead invested that wealth for the betterment of its people no invader would have dared to attack and loot this country. But despite this all, ignorant people of this country willfully wasted their resources in the restoration of temples rather than in the building of the Nation. This country had vast resources but religious heads amassed them in temples for their selfish gains by exploiting the common folks. These religious heads became so powerful that they created their own chiefdoms and ruled like kings. Their exploitation of poor was so systematic that they installed religious regimentation by way of ritualism in every sphere of their lives. Right from birth to death services of priests were needed to perform religious rites. Fear of death, calamity, misfortunes, and sorrows were the basic tools and they (Priests) devised rituals for their own amelioration. By this way their grip on their people was complete. They exploited them, from birth to death, not only their grains, free services and wealth but their lives also. People not only surrendered their hard earned grains for the temples but fought for their defense against every invader. None fought against the defense of this country.
Had these resources been utilized in improving the lot of the poor people of this country, it would have ushered in an affluent society and a wealthy country.
But alas nothing is changed even now! In place of priests, political lords have taken over this country and in the name of socialism they are fleecing the poor and filling their own coffers. Goons, ruffians are ruling today. They are feeding the poor with tall slogans but in return are erecting tall buildings for themselves by swindling the national resources and massive foreign aid. (Till the early nineties India needed massive foreign aid but only a pittance came-by but with a lot of strings)
For the last two thousand years India’s society has been ruthlessly fleeced by its own people, whether in the garb of priests or politicians or by foreign invaders by exploiting its major weakness of religion. Religion has been the cause of its downfall. If it were to resurrect itself again, it shall have to forego its religious inheritance and adopt the western system otherwise it is doomed.
‘Master, if religion were to go, what would replace it?’
‘The ‘Reality’ my dear child!’ Was the calm reply of the Master.
Tbc….. ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/928-living-full-life.html Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/921-living-full-life.html Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:28:58 GMT ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-139 ‘That state comes when you are aware of Nature, and hence you come out of it and become a witness. As long as you indulge in the fruits of your desires, you are involved! But when become aware of your desires and their ultimate, you come out of their... ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-139
‘That state comes when you are aware of Nature, and hence you come out of it and become a witness. As long as you indulge in the fruits of your desires, you are involved! But when become aware of your desires and their ultimate, you come out of their influences and become uninvolved. That state is the witness state. About that we will discuss later. Now go and rest. My blessings!
He kisses her forehead and bids her happy night.
Umeshwari passed by Devyana’s suite, which was on the first floor of the Hotel, now turned into a Mansion. She heard moaning noises. She immediately knocked at the door, which was unlocked and flung opened to her slight pressure of knocking. The suit was half-lit. She found her way to her bed and what she saw, astonished her, Devyana was lying straight on the bed, completely nude. Her wonderful beauty of body was colourfully merged in the soothing dim lights of the suite. She was lying completely relaxed but strange noises were coming out of her, slightly opened mouth, pillows were all wet with her tears which did not seem to stop. But somehow Devyana’s face and body looked happy and relaxed. It was plainly not the pain or fever that was troubling her.
Umeshwari looked around and found the man, naked too, standing by the open windows, facing down below, river Beas. Its sounds could not smolder the moaning noises of Devyana’s. She understood, Devyana had her experience and was in a ‘coma’ state of constant pleasure or rather orgasm.
She did not disturb them and came out of the room, slightly unnerved. She had mastered her senses after years of joyous experiences and austerities in the benign presence of her Guru, but this man had jolted her field of fulfillment also. She bolted her brain and went to her room.
Next day, Devyana was sent to the plains for recouping. It was forewarned by the Guru that she was to remain in such condition for six months. Thereafter, she would be called back.
‘But Guru Dev, what kind of influence is that which has gripped Devyana and would continue for six months?’
‘Umesh (he often called her by short name), whenever mortals are about to cross the barriers of one field of energy to another, the opposite pull of each barrier is so powerful that they cannot contain it and so they revile under their pressures and it takes about six months to come out of their influences and advance ahead. Right now Devyana is in the field of sensual energy, which she had absorbed to the optimum. She has to stabilize it and only then she would be ready for joyous state; the next field of energy.’ Her Guru was explaining all of this while sitting in a bejeweled chair, which looked more like a throne than a chair. His looks resembled to that of Tagore, but he was living a stylish life than that of the ascetics of the East. And he did not feel guilty about that.
‘Now I would advise you to take the man with you to your cottage and come after nine days. Then we would talk.’ He blessed her and curtly dismissed her.
She had been living with her Guru for the last ten years and had heard about countless controversies about him. He was the most controversial living master of the time (now dead). But she found nothing wrong or objectionable in the life of her Guru. As of character, it was impeccable. Never by inference or design, had her Master even showed the slightest interest with the anatomy of the opposite sex. It was only a Guru-disciple relationship. To some, he showered more blessings or enlightenment, to others less. It was done in accordance with the commitment and the spiritual advancement of the individual follower/disciple. The master was always for the betterment of his disciples, followers and the world at large. It was not his fault if his philosophy was at variance with the ancient schools of thought. His only fault if it was a fault (!), was, he tried to rear a new society, according to his philosophy. This was zealously objected to by all the established heads of religions/sects of the world. Her Master was not against the religion but against the establishment and the degeneration that had taken roots thereof. He was trying to tell the world about the level of corruption, degeneration, demoralization that had seeped into their very lives and he wanted to weed these out. When the religious heads cried and howled, he slapped their establishment by establishing his own communes and started his nursery of new generation by rearing, teaching, guiding and living a philosophy of life by a set of experiments, which seemed novel to the world. But he cared little about the dissent and continued his experiment. One by one, he was, thrown out of every country and was now nursing the wounds in the thick woods of Kulu valley.
Tbc…. ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/921-living-full-life.html Living-Full-Life! http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/920-living-full-life.html Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:25:51 GMT ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-138 The jeep creaked to a sudden halt under the porch of a big hotel; Devyana jumped out and virtually dragged the actress out in shameful attire. The man was still in trance like condition. She directed the doorman to take the couple to their rooms and herself... ls workshop) Quest In Reality………-138
The jeep creaked to a sudden halt under the porch of a big hotel; Devyana jumped out and virtually dragged the actress out in shameful attire. The man was still in trance like condition. She directed the doorman to take the couple to their rooms and herself led the man to her suite after making him comfortable in her bed, she went straight to her Master.
‘Devyana, be careful with the man, he is in charged state and become a psychopomp …’
‘What is that Guru Dev?’
‘By going through an experiment he is attained to perfectional level of his senses; all of his five senses are performing at optimum level, as a result, he is aware of his surroundings. Right now, he is hearing our conversation, even if he is lying in your bed.
‘It can not be possible, Guru Dev?’
‘All these years, I have been teaching you, the journey to Reality is via the senses. Anyway, he is a good subject. Teach yourself and be happy. Blessing to you’ with that he blessed her to go.
‘GuruDev, who is this man of Devyana?’ Asked Umeshwari, a highly evolved disciple of the Master. She had been standing respectfully away from the Master while Devyana was with the master.
A heavenly beauty, attired in white satin gown, she was a blend of benign, sublime beauty and sensuality. Somehow her sublime beauty was more pronounced than her body charms. Not that they were less attractive. But their attraction was surrounded by the benign beauty of her personality. Though she was always wearing transparent gowns but her limbs somehow were veiled by her beauty.
She was hardly 5’3” but her body statistics were impeccable 33” 22” 34” with long sliding legs. The only misfitting objects were her two small withdrawn eyes. Perhaps, too much meditation or inward thinking had withdrawn her eyes. This had rather enhanced her personality. It were her eyes that diverted onlookers’ stares from her body charms to her face which was moon shaped, small lips, small nose, small eyes, on a small beautiful face. Nature had beautifully expressed herself through the living mold of Umeshwari.
She was the classic blend of beauty and mind, sensuality and love, world and spirit. That was the reason; her master had chosen her as the chief disciple.
‘Umeshwari, the man who has lost his memory, is a living epitome of sensuality. The ascetics take years to attain perfection over one sense but this man has perfected all his five senses. His powers of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch are so overpowering that to an ordinary seeker, they might look like magic or miracle. But it is a fact he is real.
Seek rapport with him. You will realize practically what I have taught you already. You are on the threshold of the second state of enlighenment, take the final leap and jump in the ocean of bliss…
‘But Guru Dev, Contact of man is necessary for attainment of bliss!
‘Dear, if we do not know the love of man, how would we be able to know the Universal love? And to realize the love of man, first we have to grow that love in ourselves. That is possible if we love some one we should be natural and accept what is natural. Only by knowing the nature that is by completely identifying with nature can we hope to go beyond it.
Until we first complete the natural process, we can not hope to go beyond it. But it is in our hands to hasten this process. And that opportunity is in your hands now. Love a man, love yourself and then extend that love to whole of the Universe. That is that path.
‘Guru Dev, you also tell us to go against the flow of nature!
Tbc…. ]]> r.p.bibra http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/920-living-full-life.html <![CDATA[Lorrina's Horses]]> http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/labelwench/919-lorrinas-horses.html Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:42:40 GMT My horses are my teachers, in large part, and from them I have learned much. Horses have shared the journey with our species for a very long time now, no need to debate the exact length. They have been hunted for food, domesticated as a means of transportation and collaborative to our efforts of... My horses are my teachers, in large part, and from them I have learned much.

Horses have shared the journey with our species for a very long time now, no need to debate the exact length. They have been hunted for food, domesticated as a means of transportation and collaborative to our efforts of agriculture, exploration, and sadly, even used in war, suffering alongside us as often as sharing the better times.

As our species has proliferated, the horse no longer has much habitat where it may live a 'free' life, yet it accepts this change and has evolved well alongside of us. Though we have made it dependent upon us for continued existence, the horse remains quite capable of adapting back to self-sufficiency in any habitat which affords it with natural food, water and minimum shelter from the elements.

For our part, we have been selectively breeding the horse to suit our purposes, and there are hundreds of breeds, some which are quite regional, which reflect these efforts. Living in a northern climate, I have settled on the Morgan Horse as being the breed most suitable for this climate and of diverse ability. That the breed is also one of the more visually pleasing and personable, is a chance bonus.

As the old cowboys say, 'Pretty is, as pretty does.'

Around these parts, 'pretty' has to be able to handle anything that comes it's way, lol...

This link to my personal web site, an exercise which is as much about teaching me computer skills as it is a celebration of my journey with horses.

https://sites.google.com/site/lorrin...ndurance-horse ]]> labelwench http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/labelwench/919-lorrinas-horses.html <![CDATA[".....light is in me....."]]> http://www.toequest.com/forum/blogs/r-p-bibra/918-light-me.html Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:00:07 GMT Modern commercial craze produces An elite class of Gurudum (masters) For whom literature is not wealth of mind But the mine of money in the bank For whom genesis of education is not character But hefty pay packets it brings For whom purpose of life, (is) not wisdom But how comfortable it... Modern commercial craze produces
An elite class of Gurudum (masters)
For whom literature is not wealth of mind
But the mine of money in the bank
For whom genesis of education is not character
But hefty pay packets it brings
For whom purpose of life, (is) not wisdom
But how comfortable it could be made in material
Their Realization of spirituality (is) not seeking of unity in diversity
But segmenting the society with false calls
It is easy to realize GOD than to find a Guru
Who leads his herd to GOD realization
They are all one in their gospel of revelation
Revere their “person” not the GOD
herd came to seek
Modern Guru is commercially viable
GOD has taken a back seat
Their own mansions have flourished
But made their followers poorer in money an’ spirit!



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