2008-04-19: What is Time?

[dipayankar]

Lets look at photoelectricity, here a photon can displace an electron which means that the momentum is comparable. Thus physically both these particles would have similar properties, Only worry is can an electron travel at the same speed as a photon?

No problem Dippy - but remember I don't have all the answers - my model is only part complete

1) They must have properties but not as we know it (Jim). Physical properties are only exhibited by physical matter so their 'properties' would contribute to those of the real world. The question for me is whether all of the string is the same but has different aspects due to its length or whether there are different kinds of string. I think that they will have charge and spin but mass may only be inherent in physical particles. Hence they interact with eachother to form the particles which we experience (as the quarks of the standard model). I think the energy/mass conversion is to do with the collapse of the wave function.

2) In my model, time is a digital function that switches the chronons on and off so I suspect that there must be a minimum value and this is likley to be the Planck time.

3) I think that the photon is probably a string which is detached from the basic structure of the aether but can't explain it yet. I also feel that the electron, photon and neutrino are closely connected but can't see how. Do you have any ideas?

regards
Felix

[dipayankar]

Just a small clarification. Is our closed Universe in motion? If yes, it is in relative motion to what and where is it going to? Or is it just vibrating in a plane?

Hello Dipayankar,

Due to how I view our universe, we have two forms of time, because we have two instances of motion/velocity. We have the individual absolute motions/velocities of the fundamental builders (particles) and we have their collective motion/velocity when they become dense enough (massive object) to collectively move through a less dense medium of fundamental builders, whereby the individual particles that form the massive object are still moving in random directions (frequency) within the space they occupy, but the whole collection (massive object) is moving uniformly in one direction. It is the essence of this duality of directions that allows for size (proximity of particle to particle) to be relative to collective linear motion/velocity.

In my opinion, there is universal time, which is absolute and is a measurement of the distance traveled at any given interval of the fundamental particles of matter in absolute motion/velocity, and then there is our mechanical measurement of time, which is seen by a pendulum (massive object) swinging. Mechanical time is a measurement taken by the uniform motion/velocity of a massive object, as seen by the pendulum, but being as the pendulum is made up of a collection of particles and their proximity to each other is relative to their collective motion/velocity, so too is their overall dimensions. Thus, if a change in collective motion/velocity also changes their overall dimensions, then mechanical time is therefore relative to collective motion/velocity, but universal time is absolute due to the absolute motion/velocity of the fundamental particles.

Thus, the entire motion/velocity of a closed universal system is finite and absolute, and gives rise to true time. It is merely the measurable dimensions of massive collections of particles that fluctuate as an effect of their collective linear motion/velocity.

This is just how I see things. That doesn't make it right. I only hope it makes sense.

[timeparticle]

Lets look at photoelectricity, here a photon can displace an electron which means that the momentum is comparable. Thus physically both these particles would have similar properties, Only worry is can an electron travel at the same speed as a photon?

I believe that the answer is in the understanding that time is made up of time particles. One time particle can move instantly from one point to another because there is no time lag to slow it down. Time particles attach themselves to each other. Two time particles, attached to each other, moves a little slower than one as a small time lag now exists. Three, a little slower than two, and so on... When ten time particles are attached in a string, or line, light is created. So, ten time particles in a string creates one photon. Because of the unusual shape of a time particle, they could also attach in a stack or in a circle. Ten in a stack create one graviton. Ten in a circle create one particle of electromagnetism. Light, gravity and electromagnetism all move at the same speed as they all have the same number of time particles ..... answering your question.

[Felix Schrodinger]

Just a small clarification. Is our closed Universe in motion? If yes, it is in relative motion to what and where is it going to? Or is it just vibrating in a plane?

Hi Dippy

My thoughts relate to the mechanics of my model and need to be viewed in that context. Our 'real' universe is in motion (estimated at about 10,000km/s) in relation to the aether which is static.

This raises a number of other points and a possible solution to the EPR Paradox. Relativity postulates that nothing can travel faster than light and thus the speed of light is the maximum that can be achieved. What this actually means is the no 'real matter' can exceed the speed of light. But gravity is not real matter. This means that, if gravity is accepted as an effect due to the bending of spacetime (aether) then it is not matter and not subject to any limitation. What we experience as a limitation on the movement of light particles has been generally applied but in reality it only applies to matter in the real world. An effect due to a property of the underlying aether (spacetime) would not be subject to such limitations.

The vibration of matter is to do with the way it moves from place to place and the transfer of the information relating to the real particles that are in motion. This information is conducted through the aether by vibration of the graviton strings which are a fixed part of the aether.

regards
Felix

[Felix Schrodinger]

I believe that the answer is in the understanding that time is made up of time particles. One time particle can move instantly from one point to another because there is no time lag to slow it down. Time particles attach themselves to each other. Two time particles, attached to each other, moves a little slower than one as a small time lag now exists. Three, a little slower than two, and so on... When ten time particles are attached in a string, or line, light is created. So, ten time particles in a string creates one photon. Because of the unusual shape of a time particle, they could also attach in a stack or in a circle. Ten in a stack create one graviton. Ten in a circle create one particle of electromagnetism. Light, gravity and electromagnetism all move at the same speed as they all have the same number of time particles ..... answering your question.

Hi

I agree that there is a time particle - the 'chronon' - but I can't see how your mechanism works. Your constructions sound quite like string? Do you have any illustrations?

regards
Felix

[analog]

Just a small clarification. Is our closed Universe in motion? If yes, it is in relative motion to what and where is it going to? Or is it just vibrating in a plane?

Hey Dip, Felix and TP

I didn't notice this post until now or I would have replied sooner...Sorry Dip. As long ago as this was and as much as you've been on my absolute rest thread lately, you probably know my answer by now, but I will answer anyway for the sake of others who may be interested. Lately, I've adopted most of Dave's views and terminologies due to the similarities of my original views and the problems his framework solved for me, and to better communicate with him, but I may interpret a few aspects differently, so this doesn't necessarily represent his exact views; just mine.

Initially the FS (fundamental substance/aether) was at absolute linear velocity which caused it to be at its most condensed state/one degree of freedom/absolute zero, due to absolute uniform motion allowing for the maximum state of self affinity; thus there was no instance of internal relative time within the FS (no internal contrast of motion/EM waves, as all resolutions traveled linearly in unison); time was therefore also at its absolute state as the only reference to motion was external to the void through which the FS traveled.

After the event/collision/bang random directional (chaotic) motion (seen as EM waves) has taken over causing expansion of the FS, due to interference of the self affinity property of the FS, whereby as it expands the degrees of freedom/temperature/allowable internal instances for relative time are increasing as a result of the redistribution of absolute motion by which the initial absolute linear velocity has been reduced.

This allows for the mechanisms for all of the observable phenomena of our universe (time, temperature, electromagnatism, relativity, gravity etc.) and also allows for the existence of our conservation laws, IMHO.

BTW: Welcome to Toequest Timeparticle. I hope you enjoy your stay.

[Felix Schrodinger]

Initially the FS (fundamental substance/aether) was at absolute linear velocity which caused it to be at its most condensed state/one degree of freedom/absolute zero, due to absolute uniform motion allowing for the maximum state of self affinity; thus there was no instance of internal relative time within the FS (no internal contrast of motion/EM waves, as all resolutions traveled linearly in unison); time was therefore also at its absolute state as the only reference to motion was external to the void through which the FS traveled.

Hi ana

That may be OK but is it consistent? All of our reality springs from the aether (assuming you accept that concept) and therefore our motion must be relative to it. How then can we say that it has velocity - in relation to what???

regards
Felix

[analog]

Hi ana

That may be OK but is it consistent? All of our reality springs from the aether (assuming you accept that concept) and therefore our motion must be relative to it. How then can we say that it has velocity - in relation to what???

regards
Felix

Hi Felix,

My response for this was pretty long and will probably require further conversation, so I left it for you at my absolute rest thread. I didn't want to clutter up this thread with my ramblings. You'll also find many recent posts along with an animation there concerning this.

I hope you'll join us there for further discussion. Your views are definately invited, welcomed, and appreciated.

later,

Tim

[Felix Schrodinger]

I hope you'll join us there for further discussion. Your views are definately invited, welcomed, and appreciated.

Hi Tim

A lot to catch up on in there. But in the meantime can I post this question for you?

Motion requires two preconditions - time and space. Whilst space is fundamental, in my understanding, time is a function of the aether. If time relies on the aether for its action then the aether cannot be in motion??

Will get back to you on the rest when I have had TIME to absorb it.

regards
Felix

[analog]

Hello Felix,

The aether we refer to is a material aether in absolute motion, whereby our universe is constructed as this motion is conserved and dictates the density of autonomous volumes, or the density/condensation of the whole while in the initial state with absolute linear velocity.

Time is a product of this absolute motion of the aether, because it merely communicates change. In the initial state, all change was external to the aether as it moved with absolute linear velocity; thus no internal contrast. Time was at its absolute state communicating the vast amount of change taking place in reference to the aether changing its position relative to the external void.

Any change in this state (decrease in absolute linear velocity) sets the aether in expansion, due to its bonding property being relative to absolute motion, and brings about internal relative motion, relative time, and temperature (degrees of freedom). EM waves are seen as this internal contrast, as the state/density of all volumes by means of the distribution of absolute motion effect the state/density of all others.

The loss in recorded measurement (frequency) of the moving clock in Einstein's Relativity was conserved through its acceleration, being as the clock is actually doing the dilating. Both clocks experienced the same amount of absolute motion during the experiment, and if we relate linear velocity to wavelength; the moving clock experienced an increased wavelength; thus decreased frequency (recorded time), while the rest clock experienced a shorter wavelength; thus increased frequency. The moving clock would have also been closer to absolute zero temperature.

later,

Tim