[MJA]

It is true that telling the truth makes me truly happy.
Perhaps then, the cure for unhappiness is truth!

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MJA

[MJA]

...and truth also brings me freedom, the freedom of uncertainty or doubt.
But I thought equality was freedom?
Ohhh, then truth is freedom too!
Dang, this is easier than I thought!
Their's that logic thing again,
Thanks Aristotle, you were One sharp guy!

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MJA

[bottomlander]

Originally Posted by MJA It is true that telling the truth makes me truly happy. Perhaps then, the cure for unhappiness is truth! = MJA

Dear MJA,

Yes, you are excellent in beautifying your misconceptions!

With your double standard, you often belittle others with trivial questions but seldom re-think about your own reasoning.

You self-praise yourself as telling/sharing the truth.
It is more likely, as judged/refused by objective criteria practised by the thinking public, you are telling misconceptions, not the truths.


Best Regards. Bottomlander

[MJA]

One never has to rethink the truth, it simply just is!

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MJA

[analog]

Originally Posted by MJA I didn't invent the saying "Time flys when you having fun," but I sure have empirically experienced it, haven't you Dave? What is the constant of time without the relativity of measure anyways? Time is measure, isn't it? You remove measure from time, and POOF! it's gone. = MJA

Originally Posted by Profpat I now what you mean MJA, time goes by really fast when I.m having fun, ( BTW Einstein noticed this when he was with a beautiful woman ), and it seems to drag when I'm with my relatives. I wonder if that is Relative Time.Also I noticed as I get older time goes by a lot faster than when I was 8 years old. I think that is because when I was 8 a year was 1/8 of my life, now a year is only 1/62 of my life.Getting back to the twin going close to the speed of light he ages very slowly RELAtIVE to Earth time.Best to all,Pat

Hello Pat and MJA,

To be able to relate consciousness/awarness to more than just the measurement of true time (motion), whereby we would imply that it affects it or allows for its existence, we would have to also make consciousness/awarness a quantisized entity at the fundamental level of interactions, thus giving it the role of directing every fundamental interaction, whereby all fundamental interactions know how to take place, as if telling two spheres of matter what to do when they collide. Rather than attributing this to geometry, we would be implying that fundamental consciousness governs geometric interactions. I'm still thinking on this one, as I am trying to bring life into a universal system whose interactions appear to not need it.

Otherwise, consciousness/awarness would merely allow for us to measure increments of motion, and the fundamental motions of matter, that give rise to time and form our world, would take place no matter if we were measuring (aware of) them or not. Either way we look at it, it will still happen as it should. My first definition would just imply how consciousness arises as fundamental interactions become more dense within a given volume of space.

As for the twins, Pat, the real question, in my mind, lies not in why or how their bodies age, which should be governed by mechanical time/motion, being as they too are massive objects, but how do they percieve this aging within the two relative aging frames, which is relative to how we define consciousness/awareness. Would ones awarness accelerate/decellerate also, whereby he didn't percieve a change in the acceleration/decelleration of his aging, or is awarness at a constant velocity, whereby any change of aging would be recognised?

[MJA]

So we all have experienced time speeding up as we speed up.
Yet the great Einstein believed the opposite was true;
that time slows the faster toword the speed of light we go.
Did he have it backward, the reverse of common natural empirical sense?

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[Profpat]

As for the twins, Pat, the real question, in my mind, lies not in why or how their bodies age, which should be governed by mechanical time/motion, being as they too are massive objects, but how do they percieve this aging within the two relative aging frames, which is relative to how we define consciousness/awareness. Would ones awarness accelerate/decellerate also, whereby he didn't percieve a change in the acceleration/decelleration of his aging, or is awarness at a constant velocity, whereby any change of aging would be recognised?

Hi analog;

I think David is correct. My heart beats at 60 beats per minute and would do so whether here on Earth or going close to light speed in space.

It's just the clock, and therefore my heart beat, is going a lot slower relative to Earth time.

Best to you,

Pat

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by analog Due to how I view our universe, we have two forms of time, because we have two instances of motion/velocity. We have the individual absolute motions/velocities of the fundamental builders (particles) and we have their collective motion/velocity when they become dense enough (massive object) to collectively move through a less dense medium of fundamental builders, whereby the individual particles that form the massive object are still moving in random directions (frequency) within the space they occupy, but the whole collection (massive object) is moving uniformly in one direction. It is the essence of this duality of directions that allows for size (proximity of particle to particle) to be relative to collective linear motion/velocity. In my opinion, there is universal time, which is absolute and is a measurement of the distance traveled at any given interval of the fundamental particles of matter in absolute motion/velocity, and then there is our mechanical measurement of time, which is seen by a pendulum (massive object) swinging. Mechanical time is a measurement taken by the uniform motion/velocity of a massive object, as seen by the pendulum, but being as the pendulum is made up of a collection of particles and their proximity to each other is relative to their collective motion/velocity, so too is their overall dimensions. Thus, if a change in collective motion/velocity also changes their overall dimensions, then mechanical time is therefore relative to collective motion/velocity, but universal time is absolute due to the absolute motion/velocity of the fundamental particles. Thus, the entire motion/velocity of a closed universal system is finite and absolute, and gives rise to true time. It is merely the measurable dimensions of massive collections of particles that fluctuate as an effect of their collective linear motion/velocity.

Pure poetry - music to my ears!

Felix

[dipayankar]

That's interesting. So do we need to redefine the Universal Laws???

Originally Posted by Felix Schrodinger Hi Dippy It doesn't - just our perception of it. Felix

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by Profpat "Time is constant; the measurement of time (clock) is relative." Does that mean the twins are clocks David?

Pat;
Somewhere in another post I stated that the actual slowdown of the accelerated clock was not due to time dilation but to the effect of the increase in velocity that reduces the biological interactions of atoms and molecules. The accelerated clock also experiences this actual slowdown as does all physical entitles. If you wish to age slower, just travel at high velocities greater than half the speed of light.