2008-04-19: What is Time?

[MJA]

Dear FS,

Whilst it is right to complement you on your hard work regarding "The Dance of Shiva" for its complexity and imagination, the solution to the duality problem of light that you seek will not be found in the manipulation of imaginary sub atomic particles of masons and such, but rather in the simple understanding of measure itself. It is the uncertainty of measure alone that creates the paradox of duality that you see.
The motion of light is both a wave and a particle because they are truly one and the same.
Uncertain measure divides, equality unites,
therefore the solution to the duality problem is simply =.
A wave = a particle, and that is simply nature's light of truth.
Life without uncertain measure is equal or One.
TOE.

=
MJA

[Felix Schrodinger]

(1).......the solution to the duality problem of light that you seek will not be found in the manipulation of imaginary sub atomic particles of masons and such, but rather in the simple understanding of measure itself.

(2) It is the uncertainty of measure alone that creates the paradox of duality that you see. The motion of light is both a wave and a particle because they are truly one and the same.

(3) Uncertain measure divides, equality unites, therefore the solution to the duality problem is simply: A wave = a particle, and that is simply nature's light of truth. Life without uncertain measure is equal or One.

Hi MJ

(1) Obviously our understandings differ. The masons, chronons and gravitons of my paradigm are not imaginery - they are simply not the real matter that we experience. If there is a simpler understanding of W/P duality where may it be found?

(2) I agree that they are the aspects of the same thing - matter moves as a wave and enters our real world as a particle when the waveform collapses.

(3) I have no idea what you are saying here. Is it me?

regards
Felix

[dipayankar]

Hi Felix,

Two simple questions, What is a chronon? The 'connection' that you have talked of, is it a electrical connection or what would be the nature of bonding?

Hi Dippy

(1) My concept is that it is the fabric of space/time and therefore does not consist of anything of our real world (e.g. mass or energy). The aether consists (in my paradigm) of masons connected by gravitons to form the gravitational field - which is what I call it. The 'mason' is a variation of the Higgs boson.

(2) My concept is inseperable from the nature of time, which is controlled by chronons, so I feel that discussion on this thread is indeed relevant.

You can find a complete description in my article: http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...nce-shiva.html

regards
Felix

[MJA]

Hi MJ

(1) Obviously our understandings differ. The masons, chronons and gravitons of my paradigm are not imaginery - they are simply not the real matter that we experience. If there is a simpler understanding of W/P duality where may it be found?

(2) I agree that they are the aspects of the same thing - matter moves as a wave and enters our real world as a particle when the waveform collapses.

(3) I have no idea what you are saying here. Is it me?

regards
Felix

Dear Felix,

The only place that I know to find the simplist solution to the wave particle duality problem is the solution I have only just written.

The solution is simply the understanding that measure has it's limitations, and once science goes beyond those limits, the uncertainty and probabiliy problems of not only light but all of nature are created. Measure my freind, is simply the flaw.

Thanks for helping me bring the truth to light.

=
MJA

[Felix Schrodinger]

Two simple questions, (1) What is a chronon? (2) The 'connection' that you have talked of, is it a electrical connection or what would be the nature of bonding?

Hi Dippy

(1) A chronon, in my model, is the 'particle' of time - I use the term particle loosley. Chronons are part of the aether and are like simple strings emitted in a very regular manner but with apparently random magnitude. Each and every node of the aether (the 'masons') emits a chronon at a predetermined interval - possibly the Planck time. Each chronon string is of a different length and the length governs its effect on the probability function:

P(a)^2 + P(b)^2 + P(c)^2 must be > CV

for a waveform to collapse and a pair of real particles to form as the matter we experience in the real world.

[P(a) is the probability for particle 'a'; P(b) is the probability for particle 'b' and P(c) is the effect from the chronon. CV is the critical value that must be exceeded for the waveform to collapse]

I envisage a chronon to be like a tape measure, which can be pulled out from its holder to any desired length up to its maximum, and the tape holder mimics the function of the mason. It is this digital appearance of the chronons which controls the motion of particles as they cannot exceed the critical value of probability, and hence collapse from the waveform, without one being present.

(2) The connections linking the masons together are gravitons, which again consist of string emitted by the masons. They are semi rigid links and form a cubic structure, the masons being the nodes at each corner of the cubes. It is the stretching and shrinkage of these links, in the presence of mass, which creates the distortion of space which forms the basis of GR. The gravitons are part of the aether structure and only bond with eachother. I suspect that this relates to their spin (which is reputedly = 2) but have not worked this through.

Regards
Felix

PS - my 'string' has no connection with that of 'string theory'.

[Neri]

A Further Observation

Let us say that from an intuitive or sensible perspective the universe was a two-dimensional spatial reality. This would mean that if intelligent, perceptive creatures existed on a universal scale, the idea of three spatial dimensions would be insensible to them. They would nonetheless have a sense of time, which they could conceive of in a space-like way as one-dimensional and always pointing in the same direction. Suppose that these creatures were able to calculate that at the intersections of their two-dimensional spatial coordinates there did not exist perfect (infinitely small) points but rather incredibly small circles of expanse. Their calculations would reveal something that would seem quite strange indeed. They would have to allow for a “third dimension.” Such a thing would be unimaginable to them, yet without it their calculations would make no sense. They would be forced to conclude, therefore, that their world (the universe) was virtually two-dimensional yet not perfectly so.

Let us suppose that what we creatures call “the universe” is actually only one of these minute three-dimensional worlds. To us, of course, a world with more than or less than three spatial dimensions is counterintuitive. On the other hand, if we somehow knew that there was a “two-dimensional” universe of which we were but a part, we would conclude that there were actually five spatial dimensions.

Let us go a step further and suppose that at the intersections of any three spatial coordinates of our world, there do not exist perfect points but rather incredibly small spheres each containing its own separate three-dimensional realm. If our mathematics was able to reveal the existence of these minute spheres, we would be led to conclude that there were three additional dimensions in the universe. This would bring the total to eight spatial dimensions.

Let us make one final supposition and say that at the intersections of any three coordinates within any “minute sphere,” there again does not exist perfect points but rather lesser, even-more-minute spheres each with three dimensions of its own. Were we able to detect this condition, we would conclude with confidence that there were in reality eleven spatial dimensions and four separate realms of time.

[dipayankar]

Three more simple questions Felix.

a) What are your 'strings' made of? Matter or Energy?
b) Have you been able to quantize time using a chronon?
c) What effect would ether have on the propagation of a photon?

Hi Dippy

(1) A chronon, in my model, is the 'particle' of time - I use the term particle loosley. Chronons are part of the aether and are like simple strings emitted in a very regular manner but with apparently random magnitude. Each and every node of the aether (the 'masons') emits a chronon at a predetermined interval - possibly the Planck time. Each chronon string is of a different length and the length governs its effect on the probability function:

P(a)^2 + P(b)^2 + P(c)^2 must be > CV

for a waveform to collapse and a pair of real particles to form as the matter we experience in the real world.

[P(a) is the probability for particle 'a'; P(b) is the probability for particle 'b' and P(c) is the effect from the chronon. CV is the critical value that must be exceeded for the waveform to collapse]

I envisage a chronon to be like a tape measure, which can be pulled out from its holder to any desired length up to its maximum, and the tape holder mimics the function of the mason. It is this digital appearance of the chronons which controls the motion of particles as they cannot exceed the critical value of probability, and hence collapse from the waveform, without one being present.

(2) The connections linking the masons together are gravitons, which again consist of string emitted by the masons. They are semi rigid links and form a cubic structure, the masons being the nodes at each corner of the cubes. It is the stretching and shrinkage of these links, in the presence of mass, which creates the distortion of space which forms the basis of GR. The gravitons are part of the aether structure and only bond with eachother. I suspect that this relates to their spin (which is reputedly = 2) but have not worked this through.

Regards
Felix

PS - my 'string' has no connection with that of 'string theory'.

[Felix Schrodinger]

Three more simple questions Felix.

a) What are your 'strings' made of? Matter or Energy?
b) Have you been able to quantize time using a chronon?
c) What effect would ether have on the propagation of a photon?

Dear Dippy

None of your searching questions are simple!

a) This is a fundamental question and it could as easily be asked the other way round. I have described matter in some detail as constructed from combinations of strings - as in three quarks making up the protons and neutrons. So the strings don't consist of matter - they are the basic thing that goes to make matter. Energy is a little more complicated which relates to the vibration of the waveform. It requires some more thought.

b) Yes, in principle, I think that this concept provides a quantization of time - though what the actual quantities are I have no idea unless the Planck time is involved.

c) Photons are still a bit of a mystery. They seem to obey gravity in that their paths bend when they pass by a massive object but they have no difficulty defying gravity when escaping from the sun. I have similar problems with the electron and am currently trying to reconcile magnetism with my model.

regards
Felix

[dipayankar]

Hi Felix, I know I am bothering you, but please bear with me.

1) Do these strings that make up matter, have physical properties? How do they interact with each other? If energy is complicated, then how is it convertible to mass and vice versa?

2) Do you believe Planks time cannot be broken down further?

3) Photons cannot escape from the extreme gravity of black holes, so at any point do they behave as though they have mass? If yes, then would they have any relation with your strings?

Dear Dippy

None of your searching questions are simple!

a) This is a fundamental question and it could as easily be asked the other way round. I have described matter in some detail as constructed from combinations of strings - as in three quarks making up the protons and neutrons. So the strings don't consist of matter - they are the basic thing that goes to make matter. Energy is a little more complicated which relates to the vibration of the waveform. It requires some more thought.

b) Yes, in principle, I think that this concept provides a quantization of time - though what the actual quantities are I have no idea unless the Planck time is involved.

c) Photons are still a bit of a mystery. They seem to obey gravity in that their paths bend when they pass by a massive object but they have no difficulty defying gravity when escaping from the sun. I have similar problems with the electron and am currently trying to reconcile magnetism with my model.

regards
Felix

[Felix Schrodinger]

1) Do these strings that make up matter, have physical properties? How do they interact with each other? If energy is complicated, then how is it convertible to mass and vice versa?

2) Do you believe Planks time cannot be broken down further?

3) Photons cannot escape from the extreme gravity of black holes, so at any point do they behave as though they have mass? If yes, then would they have any relation with your strings?

No problem Dippy - but remember I don't have all the answers - my model is only part complete

1) They must have properties but not as we know it (Jim). Physical properties are only exhibited by physical matter so their 'properties' would contribute to those of the real world. The question for me is whether all of the string is the same but has different aspects due to its length or whether there are different kinds of string. I think that they will have charge and spin but mass may only be inherent in physical particles. Hence they interact with eachother to form the particles which we experience (as the quarks of the standard model). I think the energy/mass conversion is to do with the collapse of the wave function.

2) In my model, time is a digital function that switches the chronons on and off so I suspect that there must be a minimum value and this is likley to be the Planck time.

3) I think that the photon is probably a string which is detached from the basic structure of the aether but can't explain it yet. I also feel that the electron, photon and neutrino are closely connected but can't see how. Do you have any ideas?

regards
Felix