[north]

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Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Because of the vortexial rotations,all produce heat do they not?

but if the vortexial rotations produce heat why does H and O only do this at extremely low temps? it seems that vortexial rotations don't produce enough heat. but the extreme cold does produce a liquid , of both H and O.

What about the "field" that holds all this in coherence the etheric field,or aether as some call it?

what of it though?

What part does this field play in the dynamics of fluidation?regards michael.

density perhaps? but then again why at room temps. does a liquid manifest?


there is something going on that we have NOT fully investigated , about H2-O. just simply H2-Os ability to exist , as a liquid , at room temp. , in the first place.

so far it simply doesn't make sense.

[Unreal Zelta]

Hey north,

It is very difficult to envisage microscopic interactions, and most of our mental pictures are falsified by the wrongfully taught concepts in schools and etc. From what I read in the post, it hints to me that you are trying very valiantly to 'fabricate' this picture.

I absolutely agree with you about the incompetence of scientists, in regard to solving this problem from a different angle. This is somewhat due to our satisfaction of current knowledge, where knowing the bonds is sufficient enough to produce materials for our needs/wants (although the difference between the two are quite blurry ), therefore science at this stage is mainly used to make our lives easier I'm afraid.

It is not a surprise to see most text books and websites define water in a irrelevant manner, same as for energy, time etc. One theory is that, water is an incremental refinement of an entity (any entity), and it applies to any matter, the metamorphosis is instigated by our mind and energy is the metamorphing version of matter. Our mind merely does this to differentiate the different types of energy, thus we see different shapes, sizes, colors etc.

Sorry I wouldn't help with any detailed chemistry, as my knowledge for it is insufficient to propose any tangible arguments.

Best regards

Zelta

[Unreal Zelta]

I'm just wondering if anyone here has studied chemistry in depth, to analyse the problem?

Best regards

Zelta

[Graybeard]

Hi .... I don't really know much about chemistry ... but I think North may be right in his original assumption

Originally Posted by north now I have asked this question before on other sites , they simply give a chemical bond answer..... I'm thinking beyond bonds here people. I'm thinking that water is a dense magnetic field any thoughts

I don't know if Magnetic is right, but it is the amount of the Electromagnetic force that creates the different structures.

Changing from Ice > Water > Steam does not change the molecular structure. But changes its electrical bonds. These are called Phase Transitions.

If you think of an Atom as having the 'Bohr' structure, that is, electrons orbiting the nucleus it makes it easier. Each electron can only change its orbit if it gives up or receives an exact amount of energy, a quanta.

Molecules consist of atoms that 'share' electron orbits. If you apply energy, in this case heat, to Ice at say -20 deg C than this heat (energy) will be absorbed as conductive heat and the temperature will rise proportionately to -19, -18, -17, -16 all the way up to Zero.

But at Zero degrees a phase transition occurs. The heat you continue to apply is no longer absorbed as conductive (which raises or lowers the temp) but is absorbed as Latent ( which changes the 'shared' electron orbits).

The electrons of the molecules are now zipping around so fast that they can no longer form shared hexagonal structures but form chain like structures. However the energy they now hold is not enough to break the shared electron orbits of the Hydrogen and Oxygen, so the molecular structure remains as H2O.

The same happens at 100 Deg C. but at this energy level they cannot even stay close enough to share chain like structures and the molecules become hi-speed energetic bullets. However they are still molecules of H2O and are chemically identical to Ice molecules.

Of course exactly the same happens in reverse. You can easily check this by freezing a thermometer in a glass of water, gently apply heat so you don't crack the glass, watch as the temp climbs consistently, and then it suddenly stops at zero, even though your candle is still applying energy. Only once all the ice in the glass has melted does it suddenly start to climb again. Where did the energy go. it is absorbed as Latent Energy.

The reason that Hydrogen and Oxygen have vastly different phase transitions compared to Water is that they are sharing electron orbits at the 'element' level, water is sharing at the molecular level. Much different energy levels are involved.

Nearly everything can exist as solid, liquid or gas. Solids behave as liquids over a greater time span and liquids behave as gases. If you place a gold coin on top of a silver one and come back in a few million years the gold coin will be on the bottom.

There is a third phase transition from gas to plasma at very high temperature.

It is now believed that forces also experience phase transitions and hence we have four now because the universe is cooler than it was.

If you look at the drawing below you can see that energy is not absorbed in a linear fashion but plateaus out at each phase transition.

Hope this helps ... but I am no expert ..



cool bananas ... greg

[RascalPuff]

Dear North;

All the authoritative sources I've encountered consistently submit that whatever else it may be, the water molecule is a relatively rare combinative occurrence, universally speaking.

Best regards,
- RP

[Tina]

Originally Posted by north ....remember H becomes a liquid at , -256C and O becomes a liquid at -236C if I remember right. so WHY does a liquid manifest when H2-O come together? I'm thinking beyond bonds here people I'm thinking that water is a dense magnetic field any thoughts

I have made some intriguing () observations recently regarding water - but don't have the scientific vocabulary to describe what I've found. But a first basic observation is that water is not an ABSOLUTE liquid...does this make sense?

[mkirkpatrick]

Water is a reservoir for consciousness in the material plane of expression,think of "flow"
think of thoughts flowing-water and electricity are inextricably linked why?



regards michael.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Interesting everyone.

From what I have learned water can serve as a conduit for aetheric energy. Some folks up in Colorado have been able to instill distilled water with a certain nature so as to make it an energy accumulator. This water carries a static electric charge and when you discharge it it will recharge again, and again, and again. Truly amazing.

Also this same group of new energy researchers has been able to imprint the memory of gold onto the water. This makes the distilled water act like it has gold dissolved in it. There is not any actual gold in the water, only it's information, and when the water is evaporated it leaves behind alchemically produced gold, in other words, brand new gold that didn't exist before, created only from the informed water.

Water is essential to life. It's existence at the triple point on planet earth is what makes the planet habitable. Water is essential to life and indeed it is a conscious reservoir.

I'm sure you all have heard of the research of Dr. Masaru Emoto.

One thing that has always intrigued me about water is that it will provide an energetic force of expansion whether it is heated or whether it is cooled. Heat it enough and the steam produced provides a force. So that's if you add energy. But if you take away energy it will also provide a force, upon freezing. This seems to befuddle the laws of thermodynamics. In fact, I would bet that you could get a lot more energetic force out of water that freezes than water that boils. Such is the energy which breaks apart water pipes and which transforms mountains over time. This to me is a huge untapped energy source. Given cold enough conditions, there is no limit to the force of freezing water. It can break even the greatest of barriers.

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Because of the vortexial rotations,all produce heat do they not? What about the "field" that holds all this in coherence the etheric field,or aether as some call it? What part does this field play in the dynamics of fluidation? regards michael.

The state of matter in the form of a gas is a more excited state than the state of being a liquid. The electrons are in a high energy orbit/state

The changing of forms from one state to another causes the flow of energy that does not change the temperature of the substance. When ice melts it absorbs energy but does not change the temperature. When water freezes it releases energy without changing the temperature. The energy is used to alter the electron orbit/state. this does not cause a change in the temperature of the material. It looks as if the energy is being absorbed without causing any measurable change in temperature to the material. The change is then noted in the expansion, contraction or a change of state, of the material.

When the 2 excited gasses come together they release a large amount of energy in the process of generating a flame. This release of energy reduces the excited state of the materials as a gas down to that of a liquid.

Water is also the great energy absorption medium. It absorbs both heat and motion.

The most interesting attribute of water is that it reaches a maximum point of contraction at 39 degrees F Then it begins to expand again. This is the reason that ice floats, because it has expanded beyond that of liquid water. Except for this unusual attribute of water life could not have begun in water. It would have frozen from the bottom up. causing it to freeze everything within the water.

Certainly one of the most interesting of all materials.
John.

[AntonioLao]

The world's most trusted references (Oxford dictionaries) say that pure liquid water is very weakly dissociated into H3O+ and OH- ions by self ionization. The phenomena of ion transport in water and the division of materials into hydrophilic (water loving) and hydrophobic (water hating) substances are central features of almost all biological chemistry.