[north]

Originally Posted by Tina I have made some intriguing () observations recently regarding water - but don't have the scientific vocabulary to describe what I've found. But a first basic observation is that water is not an ABSOLUTE liquid...does this make sense?

it may

continue though your thinking I am intrigued

north

[north]

[quote=everymansmedium;44013]The state of matter in the form of a gas is a more excited state than the state of being a liquid. The electrons are in a high energy orbit/state

The changing of forms from one state to another causes the flow of energy that does not change the temperature of the substance. When ice melts it absorbs energy but does not change the temperature. When water freezes it releases energy without changing the temperature. The energy is used to alter the electron orbit/state. this does not cause a change in the temperature of the material. It looks as if the energy is being absorbed without causing any measurable change in temperature to the material. The change is then noted in the expansion, contraction or a change of state, of the material.

I can't quite grasp what you mean here when you say for example that " when ice melts it absorbs energy but does not change the temperture " .

could you explain further please

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by north I can't quite grasp what you mean here when you say for example that " when ice melts it absorbs energy but does not change the temperture " . could you explain further please

Originally Posted by Graybeard Click on Gray Arrow

cool bananas ... greg

[north]

Originally Posted by Graybeard cool bananas ... greg

got-cha

cool-bananas greg


isn't H2O fascinating ? nobody really knows in depth of what makes H2O , H2O other than the bonds themselves. and since the bonds are stable , in any state of , what is H2O really ? it's telling us something , hinting at something well beyond just the bonds themselves .

for me it is what I would do my PHD on .

[Tina]

Originally Posted by north it may continue though your thinking I am intrigued north

Will do - I will post my observations when I can express in coherant form.

[north]

Originally Posted by Tina Will do - I will post my observations when I can express in coherant form.

good

whenever your ready .

[everymansmedium]

[quote=north;44356]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium The state of matter in the form of a gas is a more excited state than the state of being a liquid. The electrons are in a high energy orbit/state I can't quite grasp what you mean here when you say for example that " when ice melts it absorbs energy but does not change the temperture " . could you explain further please

There are many people that would be glad to get involved in the explanation of the quantum mechanics of this phenomina. If you look just a bit further, you will find a very usefull post by Greybeard that will even give you graphics. Thank you Greg.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by north remember H becomes a liquid at , -256C and O becomes a liquid at -236C if I remember right. so WHY does a liquid manifest when H2-O come together? I'm thinking beyond bonds here people I'm thinking that water is a dense magnetic field

Im thinking possibly electromagnetism and magnetic fields. The heat transfer is surely evidence of electron flow which does produce magnetic field/heat/waves

[neutralino]

Originally Posted by north I'm thinking that water is a dense magnetic field any thoughts

Surely you mean that "water has a dense magnetic field," since an object cannot be a field!

I don't think this is true, however. Do you have any evidence for compasses closer to large bodies of water showing more magnetic deviations than those on land, for example?

[Tina]

Originally Posted by purveyor of knowledge Interesting everyone. In fact, I would bet that you could get a lot more energetic force out of water that freezes than water that boils. Such is the energy which breaks apart water pipes and which transforms mountains over time. This to me is a huge untapped energy source. Given cold enough conditions, there is no limit to the force of freezing water. It can break even the greatest of barriers.

Some neat information on water in this post.

But frozen water as an energy source would require a tremendous amount of
energy (e.g. electrical) to freeze and maintain frozen water state before you even begin to apply it as an energy source. This does not sound efficient to me.

But this is off topic

What we need to be investigating is the expansion of water/liquid in the solid state when theoretically it should compress.