[mkirkpatrick]

To me thoughts are things,things that arise in the mind and exit into the physical world,you have an Idea,you put in down on paper,maybe a shopping
list,andyou buy the goods,simple!but whereas the outworking of that thought
took place in the physical realm,we know its place! but which plane does thought belong to!is thought on the atomic-plane,sub-atomic plane,which area
of understanding do we place,mind,consciousness,ideas,is it some kind of
electrical discharge!If so which plane or realm does it operate in? I would be grateful for any feedback to thisquestion.

[mkirkpatrick]

Well as no one chose to answer the question,I will have to answer it myself! Thought is
expressed on all planes of expression,in fact thought is the only way expression can occur!

We are all the result of the outworkings of focussed absolute intention.


regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick To me thoughts are things,things that arise in the mind and exit into the physical world,you have an Idea,you put in down on paper,maybe a shopping list,andyou buy the goods,simple!but whereas the outworking of that thought took place in the physical realm,we know its place! but which plane does thought belong to!is thought on the atomic-plane,sub-atomic plane,which area of understanding do we place,mind,consciousness,ideas,is it some kind of electrical discharge!If so which plane or realm does it operate in? I would be grateful for any feedback to thisquestion.

Michael,
Thought is the latent (congealed) electro-magnetic energy of matter in every plane that contains more or less of matter.

Thought as matter originates in the Brahman or causal plane - is most active in the astral plane in relation to the physical-material universe i.e. impressions recieved through the senses into the astral and acted upon in the physical.

Thought is an electro-magnetic discharge - i.e. thought is electrical and memory is magnetically stored thought. Thoughts are the discrete quanta of particles and the activating of the magnetically stored thoughts as memory by the quanta is the wave. This process can obviously be seen as creating time and space as the result of particle and wave.

The energy is the Power of the soul or Consciousness - our thinking is not the creator - the Power is the creator - but our thinking is the information
in-formation that the power brings to life. "As You Think - So You Become."

So long as one feels (thinks) that one is the doer one is subject to the "Law of Cause and Effect," or the "Law of Karma" and One cannot escape from the cycle of births i.e. the "Wheel of Life."

Contrarily, when one begins to see the Spirit and Power of God (Infinite Consciousness or Infinite Love), he at once becomes an agent, a mere cog or an insignificant instrument in the Divine set up. Then he is Karma free and all his seeming acts are acts of the invisible power, and he is only a witness thereof. This is figuratively called becoming a conscious coworker of the Divine Plan.

Once this delusion of doership is dispelled, there remains nothing to bind the individual. Guru Nanak says: "I do not wish anything on my own. Whatever pleaseth thee, comes to pass.

[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks IC for your most thoughtful reply.thought indeed occupies all levels of
manifestation,we are literally thought embodied motioning outworkings of intelligent
design!!


regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick To me thoughts are things,things that arise in the mind and exit into the physical world,you have an Idea,you put in down on paper,maybe a shopping list,andyou buy the goods,simple!but whereas the outworking of that thought took place in the physical realm,we know its place! but which plane does thought belong to!is thought on the atomic-plane,sub-atomic plane,which area of understanding do we place,mind,consciousness,ideas,is it some kind of electrical discharge!If so which plane or realm does it operate in? I would be grateful for any feedback to thisquestion.

The best course of action would be to trace the source of ‘thought’! When a mother conceives, there is no life/conscious in the ‘piece-of-meat’ until the 72nd day of its conception. If there was conscious in the atoms, which originally formed that ‘piece of meat’, surely there would have been conscious in it at the very beginning of its inception! On the other hand, the spiritualist believes---and it is being shyly accepted by the science fraternity too, that there is conscious in the atoms. So why is there no conscious before 72nd day of its conception? It is also an accepted version that the brain of the child, at its birth, is completely blank, that memory starts being stored (interlinking of cell’s connections) in its brain only after its inter-action with the external world. But the spiritualist believes, especially in the east, that each new born comes with a garland of its past karmas! Contradictions! No, though every atom is conscious, but it becomes patent only according to the scheme of nature. Ideas are the by-product of desire, which in turn is impelled by the ‘will’, which is directly sourced from the soul---or from energy, as the scientist would say. God ‘will’ & the world---that will is the word/idea/thought, as you will! With love&regards.ls

[baudrunner]

When talking about neuro-cortical processes like thought it is tempting to apply various mystical schools of thought on the subject because they all have no doubt based conclusion on instinct, which reaches into the very roots of human evolution. In thinking about thought it might be interesting to find metaphor in the earliest processes that gave rise to living cells, for are we not a manifestation of these same processes, albeit only far more complex?

I have read ten books on the brain. In fact, I have one before me by William H. Calvin titled "How Brains Think". It does illuminate some aspects of the study of the brain, a surprising one to some might be the fact that the cerebral cortex, or gray matter, is only the folded and textured one to two millimetre surface of the brain, and that the rest is composed of white matter, or glial cells, which comprise the scaffolding for the cortex and the support for the network of fibres that allows the neurons of the cortex to communicate with the central mid-brain. However, it is my experience from all my readings including that one that beyond some very interesting case studies of brain-injured people and detailed descriptions of the various parts of the brain itself that I find myself no closer to an understanding of how and why it actually works to produce consciousness and ideation than any one else in the field. They'll be homogonizing rat brains for a long time yet.

But let's go back to the earliest beginnings. Is intelligence separate from the processes that evolved life, that is, did intelligence evolve long after cortexes developed in animals? Was the earliest pre-eukaryotic life intelligent to some degree?

I find rife throughout reality subtle examples of paradox. On the one hand, we have phagocytosis, the wrapping of a life around another and the subsequent breakdown and digestion of that life, as in the amoeba, so that the eater can continue to eat, and on the other hand we have mitosis, as in eukaryotes, where a cell's nucleus divides to reproduce itself. But one leads to the other and the cycle is called survival. More push-pull theory. These processes are mutually dependent. Humans eat and reproduce and yet we don't ascribe the concept of instinct, or even natural biochemical reactions to be the basis for these activities but yet they are. Complexity is all relative. The depth and complexity of these chemical reactions or behaviours are a function of the conditions which are imposed on the life forms who partake of them and of the scope of their being as they exist in the environment for the duration of the time that they are there. Original ideation - that is, to determine the palatability of one's food leading to the decision to eat it - is no different from deciding which groceries to buy. Degree of complexity becomes irrelevent. It is all part and parcel of the same process.

If ten books can't adequately explain how the brain thinks, I can't be expected to reveal it in one short post, so don't all start throwing things all at once.

[mkirkpatrick]

In trying to answer the question I posed in this thread,I suppose It also occurs to me to
consider where do thoughts actually arise from?Is it the brain or the mind?I distiinguish
between the brain and mind,and see them as two distinct entities,the physical brain to
me,is the reflection on the non-physical mind,acting as a physical anchor to allow the
steeping down of thought into the lower physical realm.


The brain being totally physical in nature dies and is no more at the physical death of the
body,the mind however being totally non-physical continues along its way,within the
orbit of the soul it continues its journey of unfoldment.

In trying to understand thought,we need further to understand that we as human beings
have being and existance simultaneously on several levels of being and vibration,with
the etheric and astral plane playing and enormous part of our everyday activity?


regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

The thought is, because there is mind. Thought always germinate in the mind. Suppose the mind is temporarily withdrawn, where shall the poor ideas go! This is a very practical proposition, when tried earnestly we will definitely know the 'source' of their origin or the place of inhibition. love&regards.ls

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra The thought is, because there is mind. Thought always germinate in the mind. Suppose the mind is temporarily withdrawn, where shall the poor ideas go! This is a very practical proposition, when tried earnestly we will definitely know the 'source' of their origin or the place of inhibition. love&regards.ls

Thanks Ls for your insightful reply,If "I" were to withdraw from me,what would be left?

"Less than being" rather than just being?The less would prehaps indicate an absence
of mind,ie;mindless!The latter would indicate "being"ie,mindful!

The difficult question being this;What exactly is thought!Within the energy matrix an
eddy is formed,this eddies name is Intent,intent causes a flow disruption which in turn
forms an eddy,this eddy is the birthplace of ideas.?

regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

don't you worry brother,we lose only i identification with the body&realise the 'I' which is our real-Self.it is a real,practical fruit of our years' sadhna(spiritual-disciple).love&regards.