[mkirkpatrick]

The soul is the cloth that the master-weaver uses to in-form matter,to provide
an outer form that will manifest in the physical universe.The main difficulty here
is in getting your head around the Idea that All-manifestation is In-formed soul
Everything,stars,planets,people,all objective and subjective form-Matter-Energy
is Soul,The Cloth or cloak-of matter,now when you come to us ,we are self-conscious,and self aware-!What! self aware-mind-soulfulness.energy,it matters not what you call it,The entire universe is conscious!!But not Self-conscious,we
are living consious souls who are becoming aware of our Birthright and will soon
be claiming it.the human brain is only a sort of conduit to allow and exchange
information from the mind to itself,the brain is an anchor in physical space .
consciousness and itelligence do not require a brain,only use it in objective
living.About forgetfulness,and previous lives,some can and do remember,past lives,it would not do for all of us to remember too much,remember we have this live to live,a veil is drawn over most memories by the soul,and we re-member
when we leave this present vechile.
kind regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

I have been doing some research into what others thought of the soul,and to where it may be found?Plato,thought that the vital principle was in the brain and
the spinal cord,Strato placed it in the forepart of the brain,between the eyebrows,Hippocrates placed the consciousness or soul in the brain,and Herophilus made the calamus scriptorius the chief seat of the soul.Erasistratos
located the soul in the cerebellum or little brain,and stated that it was concerned in the co-ordination of movement.Roger Bacon regarded the centre
of the brain as the place where the soul is found.All these great thinkers knew
of the reality of the soul,they could not just agree to its location in the body.
One vital thing to remember is that we are not bodies with a soul.rather we are
souls with bodies,and the soul uses them like we use cars,the body is just a
vehicle of expression for the soul,to gain entrance into the physical world and
gain experence of living through the evolutionary cycle.

kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao This is assuming that life cannot exist without a brain. The fact that as a result of serious accident, human beings can still exist at the vegetable state as long as the heart continue beating.

But their brain must be alive. One thing is that they are not conscious, and another ver different that they have no mind. The part of the mind that vegetative people still have is the subconsciousness. Actually, when we die, if it is time taking, for example, if we have been shot in the leg and we are going to loose all our blood, the bod automatically stops giving blood to the extremities. Then to the middle body. And actually, the body kills the heart first, and 7 minutes later! the brain dies. Because if the brain dies, there is no way back, practically impossible. But as much as it is alive, the heart can be re-vived.

[Mr. Nobody]

One vital thing to remember is that we are not bodies with a soul.rather we are souls with bodies

This IS vital, as I view human matter just the opposite. I see ourselves as lone intelligence in a cosmos that knows no intelligence, a universe of simplicity and function. This universe represents reality, the opposite of non existence without meaning, a stage where matter and forces wrangle endlessley in a random dance of mutual perterbation.
Preservation emerged out of complexity as a tool for matter to continue organizing. Conscience and intelligence grew out of preservation, out of a realization of death (loss of preservation) and recognition of repetative cycles within nature. Birth, life, death. Resurection was added to complete the circle of life and death. We are not reborn. Our "souls" are emergent qualitites that are not part of this life cycle. They are in addition to a life cycle, a quality present in degrees within all complex things, from clumps of matter to single cells to human machines. This quality is not added energy, it is an attribute of organization, existing in all systems. I often wonder if one day in the spirit with so many science fiction stories, a machine will reach complexities akin to the human mind and speak up with an unanticipated, "hello"

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE But their brain must be alive. One thing is that they are not conscious, and another ver different that they have no mind. The part of the mind that vegetative people still have is the subconsciousness.

Looking thru the annals of medical science, there are recorded cases of comatose patients that will able to regain sanity and consciousness from a vegetable state and restoring their thinking faculties .

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Looking thru the annals of medical science, there are recorded cases of comatose patients that will able to regain sanity and consciousness from a vegetable state and restoring their thinking faculties .

And that is not yet explained by an congnitive science. Cognitive science is actually the most interesting of all, at least to one that wants to know and develop, but doesn't know which science to choose. This is first because cognitive sciences has advanced very little, for it is very dificult to generalize and at the same time be correct, so there is a lot to discover. Second because cognitive science alows us to comprehend and understand our method of comprehending and uderstanding, thus, we can improve it. And by this we will improve all sciences. Thridly, because it is possibly the only science that unites all the areas of sciences (biological, physical, social, mental...) and mathematics and philosophy all together.

Understanding the way to use the brain was the begining of the knowledge. Comprehending how and why the brain is like it is, is the completeness of wisdom.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nobody a machine will reach complexities akin to the human mind and speak up with an unanticipated, "hello"

Are you suggesting that intelligence is capable of evolving just like biological evolution? Furthermore, that machines can evolve to the point of understanding and reasoning?

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE And that is not yet explained by an congnitive science.

In the processes of the mind, there exists a point of no return for insanity back to sanity as that of a legally crazy person came back to solve Goldbach conjecture. No insane person is known to revert sanity and living a semi-productive life as that of John Forbes Nash, Jr (the main character of the movie: A beautiful Mind). This is a rare case that subtly demonstrates the independence existence of mind and brain. Moreover, the movie: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest depicts allegorical view of relative insanity, which assert the absolute sanity of individual mind with defective brain.

[Mr. Nobody]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Are you suggesting that intelligence is capable of evolving just like biological evolution? Furthermore, that machines can evolve to the point of understanding and reasoning?

Yes, that is what I am suggesting

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nobody Yes, that is what I am suggesting

Are we machines then? Not perfect machines in terms of perfect minds?