[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao In the processes of the mind, there exists a point of no return for insanity back to sanity as that of a legally crazy person came back to solve Goldbach conjecture. No insane person is known to revert sanity and living a semi-productive life as that of John Forbes Nash, Jr (the main character of the movie: A beautiful Mind). This is a rare case that subtly demonstrates the independence existence of mind and brain. Moreover, the movie: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest depicts allegorical view of relative insanity, which assert the absolute sanity of individual mind with defective brain.

Crazy people are either or very intelligent or very stupid. Nash was of the first kind, even to those of the first kind. But all, Einstein, Galileo, Plato, Da Vinci...great thinkers have been a bit crazy in some things. But, what is crazyness/madness? Is it just being odd, or thinking irrationally? I see millions of people thinking irrationally all the days: buying coke instead of pepsi because they say it's better, even if it is more expensive...and that kind of things happens continually. So, is it being strange? Strange is someone thatdoesn't enter in the set of normality which is defined by the avarage properties of the members. Obviouslly, great thinkers are automatically, no matter how they are, out of the set of normality, for they are "great" thinkers, which impplies to be bigger than normal, because if we were all as good thinekrs as great thinkers, it wouldn't be called great thinking, it woul be nromal, thus, all great thinkers are for nbeigng reat thinkers, strange. And is this why they are crazy? I doubt it....It is the fact of being strange, that pull sthem to become crazy. I my self have experimented some of this crazying, by whaching that when I was 6, I already prefeared to be alone, by 9 I really saw I was more mature than the rest, by 12 I saw myself really far away from the rest, and now, 15, I I believe there is a whole cosmos of maturity and smartness between me and those of my age. This has made me develop "strange" properties in my characters. Nothing to frighten of, but nothing normal also.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE Crazy people are either or very intelligent or very stupid.

Are mind and brain exist independently? A perfect mind in a defective brain?

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Are mind and brain exist independently? A perfect mind in a defective brain?

They don't exist independetly. Brain is more fundaemtnal than mind. Thus, there must be a brain for their to be a mind. But also, if there is a brain, there must be a mind. So there is always one and another. Now, can they be different? I doubt it. If one has a powerful brain, he will have an incredible mind, but only if he has worked it out. If he waste's his time, no. If a person gives his brain what it shoul dhave, the mind will be of the kind. But if that person doesn't, then the brain will go down to what the mind has become.

[Mr. Nobody]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Are we machines then? Not perfect machines in terms of perfect minds?

Yes, we are meat machines, programmed to adapt, procreate and survive. Matter sprung consciousness as it kept organizing to ever greater complexity. To fight entropy is the most primordial instinct of all matter/ energy.
We are the evolution of matter organization. Biologic machines, perfect in their short life cycles to continuously adjust to a fluid quantum environment with new ideas and mutations. Machines, if they develop self recognition and are able to accept termination as part of existence like biologic entities have (to prevent stagnation and polution with unfavorable traits), will be the next level of matter's journey towards the perfect order (big bang)....and then it will begin again....

[Mr. Nobody]

I know your next question:
Who programmed us?

Answer: No one. The antrophic principle suggest that this reality is our reality, captured by us living within.

I often pondered the similarity of cancer cells, that multiply uncontrollably, spread without purpose except to replicate themselves, fallen out of tune with what the cell was meant to do.......with humanity as it developed intelligence. We are destroying our environment, spreading uncontrollably and forgot our purpose, that is to live with this creation, to exist with content and harmony, like our brethren in nature do, without a quest for reason

[Robert]

When a computer executes a well-written program it does what is expected of it. No surprises. No unexplained or bizarre behavior, it does exactly what it was programmed to do. But when a computer has a flaw, or rather the software has a bug, the computer does not work as expected. It can show minor or even major aberrations from the norm, depending on the nature of the bug.

When a human body executes a well-structured brain it does what is expected in regard to interacting with reality. It eats when hungry, laughs at jokes, and usually does not run into walls. But when a human body has a flaw, or rather the brain has a tumor, the human body does not work appropriately. It can show all kinds of abnormal behavior ranging from minor to major aberrations in the way the human body, directed by a flawed brain, interacts with reality.

Tumors, strokes, and other types of brain damage to the right hemisphere are truly bizarre because they affect how a person views and experiences reality. Although appearing completely normal, this flawed person will, for example, look straight at you and hang his coat on your head thinking that you are a coat rack! There is a part of the brain that distinguishes animate from inanimate objects. Another flawed person will complain to you that his leg actually belongs to his brother, and he believes it! A part of the brain deals with ownership of body parts. Another will have no concept of left and if an object is placed to his left, it no longer exists to that person! Another person can be blind and yet you can not convince him of it. He is convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he has no problem with his vision and will say this as he walks into a wall. Bizarre!

Flaws in the brain, and the resulting bizarre behavior, really show how closely a persons personality, sense of self, and experience of reality is so tightly connected with the brain. At the very least, when we die and no longer have a brain, we will be a very different person indeed! Our personality is so dependent on our brains chemistry that I think it can be proven that, at the very least, we will not have anything like our current personality when we die. Most likely, I'm afraid, we are robots just like Carly.

Here is an excellent article on Search for the Soul, that covers many types of brain damage and the resulting behavior.

For more interesting conversations of this type, come visit the Chat Room at 3:00pm CST today, Friday Nov 12th. Or any other every other Saturday. Pre-chat conversations here. Hope to see you there!

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Robert Tumors, strokes, and other types of brain damage to the right hemisphere

What about the types of brain damages to the left hemisphere? What are they? What do they cause?

By the way, I believe one of the reasons why the damages on the right hemisphere change the view of reality of the person is because there is where we have our spatial intelligence.

[mkirkpatrick]

It would seem that unless we can think in wholes,then it isvery difficult to make
sense of objective substance,matter,energy.Once we can accept that all is mind
then the process is very simple,mind is within all matter,and within all Energy,
there is No-where in this universe where Mind Is-Absent From,mind-consciousness,ideation,intention made manifest,when we can accept this and
re-cognise that even the humble stone that you may stub your toe on,is alive
and is in-formed,albeit at a much slower vibrational rate.Only by thinking in wholes,that all energy which is really just Mind,all are interconnected and totally
intertwined together,an energy matrix of swirling intelligence beyond total understanding,but can be seen in the working out of our lives,all of the universe
is totally alive,and will always be so,death is an illusion,and a absurdity if you really think it through,from life can only come life and life is energy and energy
is eternal,which is thought.

kind regardsmichael.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nobody we are meat machines

If we are truly machines programmed to suvive the earth environment why do we need to sleep everyday?

[Mr. Nobody]

Because we defrag at night and process all information stored from our senses, a lot of which our conscious mind has missed or had to interpret too quickly in order to finetune our instinct and chance for survival.
What is your opinion?