[AntonioLao]

Someone is ever minder if he/she remembers everything before, now, and after. His/her mind lives forever. His/her physical body which includes his/her brain changes from tissues to dust but still his/her mind lives on. When this mind does not exist in the physical body, it is found everywhere and everywhen in space and time. Therefore a pure mind is nonlocal (the same properties as the wave function of quantum mechanics). Once this mind found a local quantum of spacetime, it will attach itself to this spacetime quantum such that its time axis becomes misalign from the relative gravitational time axis of its immediate surrounding (e.g. earth environment for all earthlings). The moment the time axis of the mind realigned with the gravity time axis, and then the mind separates from the body and pronounces as legally dead. The separated mind could wonder from here to eternity as long as its time axis is not aligned with the universal time axis where it will merge with the supermind. A mind that is not merged with the supermind has a better chance of being reintroduced into a new brain. Still the probability of the supermind separating into more individual minds is not exactly zero (quantum vacuum fluctuations). In either case, there is always a chance of mind being born again into a new body among the uncountable life-supporting planets distributed all over the entire expanse of this one universe. Who knows, there could still be more universes for a mind to start new and exciting adventures beyond the confinement of this one!

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you for this thread starter Antonio,for me to answer this I would need
to think in wholes,to me there is only one mind,on earth acting on many brains.
I think the confusion comes when the whole is lost sight of.consiousness and
mind are inter-twined,we as human beings have the added-dimension of being
self-aware,and therefore know that we know!were other forms just know.when
we talk of my mind and your mind we become caught in a snare of our own making,we are all emmerced in mind,and by its very nature is eternal,we are all
ever minders,whether we know it or not.millions of brains,but only one mind,one
consiousness that we all tap in to,all things are interconnected and inter-twined
much like the shape of the double-helix?


kind regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

Mind can affect sub-atomic particles,this is what has been found,Schodingers
equation shows that sub-atomic particles can and are affected by thought and
the process of prediction.He discribed it as "A statistical cloud of undefined substance"And went on to say that physical reality is not really seperate from the supernatural mystical reality?Matter is mind in its lowest arc,and mind is
matter in its higher arc.By thinking about particles we can Inform them with
the Idea!Forever in mind the everminders move forward.




kind regards michael.

[TinyTree]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Someone is ever minder if he/she remembers everything before, now, and after.

This is an interesting idea. Something embedded in the universe itself could not remember everything which impacted it, it would have to deterministically pass the information on into other parts of the universe (unless of course it compressed it heavily as we do with our subjective view of reality). So you could imagine a sort of scribe writing down everything that they experienced (sucking in all neuron information and storing it in some sort of memory device) but they would have trouble accessing this information in a reliable manner.

Originally Posted by AntonioLao His/her mind lives forever. His/her physical body which includes his/her brain changes from tissues to dust but still his/her mind lives on. When this mind does not exist in the physical body, it is found everywhere and everywhen in space and time.

I like this idea in concept, but think it is wrong. I do not think there exists a mind which is independent of matter- it would have to be detectable in some way. Now arguably we have not developed the measuring tools which could measure it, but I think it is just wishful thinking to assume that something "outside" of the universe exists projecting into reality. I would claim that anything projecting into our reality exists within our reality, by definition.

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Therefore a pure mind is nonlocal (the same properties as the wave function of quantum mechanics).

So now are you equating the two as the same entity, or merely as similar entities which can encompasse nonlocality? I think it is "fun" to think of our brains as existing as quantum superpositions, but it is an incorrect view- there is a simpler view, which is merely that our brains are a bunch of neurons which do have quantum mechanical interactions (with randomness) but not with carefully arranged interference patterns.

Originally Posted by AntonioLao The separated mind could wonder from here to eternity as long as its time axis is not aligned with the universal time axis where it will merge with the supermind. A mind that is not merged with the supermind has a better chance of being reintroduced into a new brain.

I like this idea (in both that I think it is a cool idea, and that I would like to believe it) but I don't believe it nor do I think it has merit- why? Because there is no need to reach into another dimension or other imaginary parts of physics to describe the behaviors of the neuron agents around us. Of course, it is possible, but I would think it would be more like "the mind" rather than "many minds floating around looking for a ship to sail in"

I spent many a lab studying neurons, and they are capable of great feats of mathematics and induction without requiring any extra baggage of corpusculent beings or projections into other universes. However, I think it is a cool idea.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by TinyTree but they would have trouble accessing this information in a reliable manner.

I won't be able to respond to all your counter-arguments in toto. Therefore, I going to reply in parts. Your quote assumed a computer universe. However, using binary numbers notation, a completely full universe is just an infinite 1's in sequential order of an infinite series of one before the other, one in the middle, and one after the other. Trouble shootings within a computer is only to locate the positions of the incomplete 0's location.

[zeroca]

Global mind is global mind (it’s called the Holy Spirit) and local one – is local!
When spring comes, all trees become green, not any single tree can reject to becoming green (but the one, which’s dead), and according to this analogy local mind is conditioned by Holy Spirit, as single tree is by spring. Even sometimes human’s tongue speaks what is determined by Holy Spirit, and not by his personality itself (i.e. what comes from the restricted heart of personality), but who can notice the difference? And who can distinguish them from each other?
If you listen to your true nature, you’ll see that you’re changing every second, every minute, every hour, every year and even you change lives - your bodies, but don’t remember it, even what you eat yesterday, but the global spirit is the same as it had been at the moment of its origin and if, let’s say, John Lennon isn’t alive any more, the Holy Spirit will find another shelter (another person) for expressing itself in a beautiful song, nothing can hold it from doing so and this shelter is the part of it, belonging to it thoroughly!

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by TinyTree I do not think there exists a mind which is independent of matter

In the same token, I say there can't exist matter with a mind. Maybe it is not a complex mind as humans but still a mind nonetheless composed of electrical impulses by much bigger chemical charges. But more basic charges are the electrons, muons, and tauons, and the quarks. The ultimate mind functions at the fundamental level of neutrinos and photons and maybe gravitons.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by TinyTree there is a simpler view, which is merely that our brains are a bunch of neurons which do have quantum mechanical interactions (with randomness) but not with carefully arranged interference patterns.

It is a simpler view if you assumed that a scale different between the microns of neurons and the 10 to the power -13 meters of th radius of atom, if the atom is 1 meter the difference is 10,000,000 meters apart to the next neuron.