[harmonygirl]

Marko, I don't think I am aware of 'types' of self-awareness. If you are aware of a 'self' (often but inaccurately described as 'consciousness') then you are self-aware, no?
Incidentally, what about the Universal Mind? (cf. human?)

[Marko]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Marko, I don't think I am aware of 'types' of self-awareness. If you are aware of a 'self' (often but inaccurately described as 'consciousness') then you are self-aware, no? Incidentally, what about the Universal Mind? (cf. human?)

Hello harmonygirl!

Could you explain your theory of universal mind more profoundly?

What are your reasons to believe that universe is governed by "universal mind" rather than to believe in the pure chaos, or some other theory?

[harmonygirl]

Hi Marko, I don't know if my explanation is profound, but here goes. The "space" that is generally regarded as "empty" is not, by way of resonance and harmonic vibrations. I have started to wonder if space (both inner and outer) is not soul, which is just another aspect of mind. So if the universe is soul, then the universe is mind, and this is the Universal Mind (as opposed to human mind, which is aware of what it is not aware of-a characteristic I think is exclusively human). This might be an aspect of the Goddess, I haven't really thought about that.

[Marko]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Hi Marko, I don't know if my explanation is profound, but here goes. The "space" that is generally regarded as "empty" is not, by way of resonance and harmonic vibrations. I have started to wonder if space (both inner and outer) is not soul, which is just another aspect of mind. So if the universe is soul, then the universe is mind, and this is the Universal Mind (as opposed to human mind, which is aware of what it is not aware of-a characteristic I think is exclusively human). This might be an aspect of the Goddess, I haven't really thought about that.

So, you think that the state "before of our Big Bang" cant be described by the probability+chaos , you think that there is a need for a "universal mind" to explain how things came into being?
And also for the development of life?

[harmonygirl]

I don't think there is a need, but I think that it is something that needs to be looked at. Do you think probability and chaos sufficiently describe pre-big bang situation?

[Marko]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl I don't think there is a need, but I think that it is something that needs to be looked at. Do you think probability and chaos sufficiently describe pre-big bang situation?

well, I am trying to work this out!

I am working on this theory, it is based on science, but metaphysics is necesarry involved when we enter the pre-big bang situation.

I think that probability+chaos+oscilations could explain a lot of things.

I said something about it in my previous posts, but I am looking for some improvements....

[mkirkpatrick]

Hello Marko,you asked what I thought when I said the universe was self aware?And went on to say,without human mind,would the universe be dead!
Who was it that said,I think therefore I am,I think that the universe is the
embodiment of mindful ideation,thought made manifest!And that if we were
not to be here,it would remain the same!We are of course part of the whole
the opertive word being "part".All of manifestation is mind,which =energy,
now all of that energy is conscious,but some aspects of that energy are
also self-conscious,all energy "knows" but we "know that we know"!I suppose
on reflection,I should have called this thread.the universe is Aware,and not
self aware!


kind regards michael.

[Mohan.C]

What should i say My english cannot find really good words but your ideas are beautiful.

[Marko]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Hello Marko,you asked what I thought when I said the universe was self aware?And went on to say,without human mind,would the universe be dead! Who was it that said,I think therefore I am,I think that the universe is the embodiment of mindful ideation,thought made manifest!And that if we were not to be here,it would remain the same!We are of course part of the whole the opertive word being "part".All of manifestation is mind,which =energy, now all of that energy is conscious,but some aspects of that energy are also self-conscious,all energy "knows" but we "know that we know"!I suppose on reflection,I should have called this thread.the universe is Aware,and not self aware! kind regards michael.

Well, these are certainly profound thoughts, but is it necessary to say that the universe is aware?

I am interested what are your reasons to believe that universe is aware, rather then is governed by pure probability+chaos, which is in my opinion in the accordance with the Occam"s Razor?

Or you consider this "mind" as a possibility and capability of the "virtual energetic potencial" to produce the universe and us?

regards!

[mkirkpatrick]

Marco,I would like to address the questions you posed.What are my reasons
to believe that the universe is aware?Good question,I will try and answer it.
I have been searching for answers to this very question for the past forty five years,In that time of earnest searching nothing has come even close to
this which,discovered me about twenty years ago.The reason I accept this is
because every atom in my being says "that this is so"all the study,all the
personal questing,travelling the world searching for clues,and answers,
meditating,and pondering for years.heated exchanges between friends,at the
end of this,Mindfullness the universal Constant came to rest within,I have asked my mind,is that so! It replied!it is so! I asked my soul,is that so!it said
Yes that is so!Now after twenty years or so of my accepting this,science,
and physics are beginning to say that all is mind,and that the universe is the
embodiment of consciousness itself.One last point you made regard Occams
Razor,"multiples should not be posited without necessity" "One should not
increase,beyond what is necessary,the number of entities required to explain
anything".Well in this case then I am well within the Razors strop,as there is
only one entity,that of mindful Ideation.
kind regards michael.