[Marko]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick One last point you made regard Occams Razor,"multiples should not be posited without necessity" "One should not increase,beyond what is necessary,the number of entities required to explain anything".Well in this case then I am well within the Razors strop,as there is only one entity,that of mindful Ideation. kind regards michael.

Well,correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that probability and chaos are working without any entity. Everything that can happen - will happen.
This seems more likely to me, than the universe is guided by some kind of mind. This is how we can explain the constants (G, h, c) - by probability and chaos.

But your theory is very interesting, I wonder what are your visions for the future?

Will the universe recycle itself after the death in this cycle?

Because even with the probability+chaos - I have come to the conclusion that oscillations of the universe are very likely!

regards

[ANDY J]

This would seem to be religious believe in that you are willing to believe without proof this i do not condemn at all as i do believe that you can have a knowing without proof and that once you accept something as true it can open doors to more truths this can be more productive than searching for facts.

[mkirkpatrick]

Marko,I do apoligise for the long time in answering this post,distractions I
guess!You said that probability and chaos were working without an entity!
I would see this radically different,for my understanding both probability and
chaos are outworkings of intention manifested via focussed ideation and resulting in the setting up of motion,expressed as "energy".You went on to
inquire,what are my visions forthe future?Wellthatis easy to answer,my vision
is that within 25 years from now,there will be taught in the halls of learning
the reality of the law of inclusiveness and the implications that will ensue,
the total interconnectivity of all "things",and that the universe is known and
accepted by most as being self aware!And lastly you asked,will the universe
recycle itself after the end ofthis cycle,yes i thinkit most certainly will,as this
is in line with the inbreathing and outbreathing of the ONE which i accept as
a way of transit!

kind regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

Awareness part is o.k.if you are not a spiritualist&have to come this conclusion on your own then you are sitting at much higher pedestal(of pedestal).the only snag is that mind being inert hence can not have the attribute of 'AWARENESS'.Yes, universe is the product of mind or vice versa.in 'awareness' mind does not exist.awareness of the self automatically merges in supra-consciousness.but there is difference between self-conscious and self-awareness.the former relates to body-mind-intellect,whereas the latter relates to wisdom-conscience-athma(soul).thus mind or universe 'exist/manifest' in awareness.yes,there is energy in mind.even the thoughts in our mind consume energy.without energy there would be no mind.rather mind is the product of energy.had there been no energy,there would be no activation in the origin-particle,hence no evolution,no big-bang.your thought content(extension of thought) is very innovative.pl. carry on we need such type of intelligence which stimulates others' sluggish minds.little-self wishes you well.be happy in lifel&make others happy too.little-self.

[davidfell@gmail.com]

The universe is self aware or has a consciousness and follows the same Laws of Nature to survive as we do and every other consciousness in the universe.

Consciousnesses naturally sense what needs to be done to maintain the correct state eg we eat when we sense hunger or when we sense danger we avoid it.

All consciousnesses are doing is to follow Le Chateliers Principle.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra Awareness part is o.k.if you are not a spiritualist&have to come this conclusion on your own then you are sitting at much higher pedestal(of pedestal).the only snag is that mind being inert hence can not have the attribute of 'AWARENESS'.Yes, universe is the product of mind or vice versa.in 'awareness' mind does not exist.awareness of the self automatically merges in supra-consciousness.but there is difference between self-conscious and self-awareness.the former relates to body-mind-intellect,whereas the latter relates to wisdom-conscience-athma(soul).thus mind or universe 'exist/manifest' in awareness.yes,there is energy in mind.even the thoughts in our mind consume energy.without energy there would be no mind.rather mind is the product of energy.had there been no energy,there would be no activation in the origin-particle,hence no evolution,no big-bang.your thought content(extension of thought) is very innovative.pl. carry on we need such type of intelligence which stimulates others' sluggish minds.little-self wishes you well.be happy in lifel&make others happy too.little-self.

Thank you rp bibra,your words of encouragement are like beacons in
a darkened landscape,I indeed agree with most all of your post,except that
without energy there would be no mind,I see this rather differently.

kindest regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Hi Michael, I agree with rp. Energy is manifested through mind, but I think exists independently of mind. Light?

[siddharthsma]

Hi Michael. By saying the Universe is self aware, are you putting forth an explanation for nonlocality and action at a distance ?

[mkirkpatrick]

Siddarthsma,in replying to your astute observation,I can only say yes?
David are you actually saying,what I think you are saying??
btw,whose principle did we follow before Le Chateliers was born??

[davidfell@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by davidfell@gmail.com
The universe is self aware or has a consciousness and follows the same Laws of Nature to survive as we do and every other consciousness in the universe.

Consciousnesses naturally sense what needs to be done to maintain the correct state eg we eat when we sense hunger or when we sense danger we avoid it.

All consciousnesses are doing is to follow Le Chateliers Principle.

David are you actually saying,what I think you are saying??
btw, whose principle did we follow before Le Chateliers was born??

Michael
I may have responded too quickly to your previous post as shown by your repeated ???s. But be assured I know my original thinking is ok.

As you must be aware, Le Chatelier principle was predominantly about equilibria in chemical reactions but it can involve any system, eg solar system, group dynamics or atomic particles. So when an equilibrium is formed the system works to maintain it and that is how the consciousness aspect arises.

Equilibrium systems can use their consciousness to take corrective actions when changes to the system are sensed.

There are many different systems ranging from the Universe to man each with their individual consciousnesses all with the same task.

david