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09-05-2005, 04:31 PM

Assuming we don't have a "spirit", and everything we think, feel or perceive is beiing created by processes in our brain (chemicals)...

Than God cannot exist, because he would need a BRAIN to exist!!!

When a human CREATES something, then (like we experience) the human needs a brain to be able to do that!

(For example when somebody has Altzheimer he doesn't create like ordinary humans without Alzheimer create!)

The thing is... I believe in a force, because when you like at the brain and the cells... a brain has about milliard connections in it, the way the brain is constructed is so ingenius that even we humans cannot build it out of material!

A cell for example is microscopic little and its function is more like 'a whole democracy'...

We don't have yet the technics to make a brain or an organism...

My feeling is rather that a human body or brain is build from very very ingenius microscopic nano'computers'... or quantum'computers'... artificial intelligence...
Look at what happens during meiosis of cells or mitosis of cells... These happenings are incredibly ingenious... They are so ingenius you would actually almost NEED a very very intelligent 'force' to create them...

((of course virusses are also build very ingeniusly and they destroy a whole organisme...))

Why do I think of 'computers'... or 'artificial intelligence'...

For example it is proven that a man thinks about seks about every 6 seconds... so this drift to reproduce it's own genes must certainly be programmed (because a man experiences it).

I believe in a force, because I cannot believe that something like a human or an animal brain or a fly... or a tree... can just start to exist on its own...
from just chemical reactions...

Here is another example of things which would exist on their own!

For example the big bang theorie...

First their is nothing (not even empty space); so their is eternal 'blackness'; really nothing; no energy, no matter; nothing...

Suddenly out of nowhere there is starting to exist like a little tennisball of extreme 'hot' energy, which explodes (and is still busy exploding...; because the universe is still getting bigger; SPACE is still being created; the milky ways which are the farest away from us (and which are exploding in disasters) are even moving away from us with almost the speed of light (referring to the RED-shift created by the special relativistic doppler effect)) and creates everything...

I only have a very logical question about the big bang theorie... maybe you have an answer... how in earth is it possible that out of totally nothing suddenly their starts to exist something like this 'hot tennisball'???

How could a TOE explain that???

I have never seen starting to exist something out of nothing...

You know that vacuum (empty space) is not really empty; it's filled with energy...! (Heisenbergs uncertainty principle even allows the very temporarly existence of little particles in it...)

I know that matter or energy can TRANSFORM, but cannot be "killed"...

Has it always been their????

Untill now everything we know shows in the direction of a big bang...?

I mean, is their another mechanism?
Or is everything a probability??



I'm thinking about something.....



You know that an organisme (like us) or a brain is build out of CELLS!!

A CELL IS A UNIT OF LIVE!!! Cells 'communicate' with eachother and with their environnement by using chemicals...

We communicate with our environnement by using fotochemical reactions (light), by using the movement of airmolecules (hearing), by feeling with our fingers for example (we don't feel the atoms we only feel an average of them; and this average gets a signification in our brain).......

Either way the signals which go to our brain are still chemical...(ions)...

Even dinosaurs were communicating with eachother during the hunt....

I understand that cells do not 'communicate' with eachother like organisms do... But we know they exist... When a cell dies, it just gets replaced by a new cell...

Think of braincell with these milliards of connections... There is a lot of connections between them getting destroyed...
So I think these connections have just been created by the chemical 'communication' between the neurons!

When connections change or when they are being created, it's just the neurons 'talking' to eachother in another way...

When a cell gets replaced (and this happens all the time), we don't even feel it!!! Because we are the organisation of millions and millions of those cells, those units of life!!


Now what if we would assume that 'the force' is the organisation of milliards and milliards of units of consciousness, like humans for example!!

I mean... Does a neuron knows it's part of organism???

No, it only experiences its environnement as real, that's all...

Maybe we think our earth is real, without knowing we're part of 'a force'...?

Maybe the universe is build from little fragments of consciousness of the force; Then earth is the place where fragments are falling together to real ingenius constructions like humans... or animals...
And maybe evolution is nothing more than the "brain" of 'the force' making evolution...

I rather think we are TOYS than ghosts...

Maybe just like neurons are a part of our brain; maybe everything which happens to us is a part of the "thinking" of 'the force'...

So maybe 'the force' doesn't need a brain...

What if the force is so huge that everything he feels or thinks is GETTING MATERIALISED????? (for us)

You know that in the Kopenhageninterpretation of Nils Bohr, Bohr is saying that 'the observer is influencing the observation'.... Of course I have never experienced beiing able to 'influence my observation' in the macroscopic reality...
Maybe it's not us influencing 'the observation'; maybe we are not the observators, maybe THE FORCE is the observator and maybe it's 'the force' who is able to influence the observation, maybe it's 'the force' which breaks the borders of space and time and lokal causality...

(You'll have to excuse me of just having these products of fantasy popping up into my silly brain)...(Of course these are just stupid, forgive me,... but maybe they bring somebody who's a lot smarter than me to an idea...) (You never know...)
...
Why shouldn't we think of a foton AS A UNIT OF CONSCIOUSNESS instead of a unit of energy???

If we think a foton as a unit of knowledge or a unit of consciousness; wouldn't we better be able to understand non-locality???? (this is just a question...)
What about holography??? Can one single foton "know" something???
What about the EPR-paradox???

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09-05-2005, 05:25 PM

When you look at the construction of the brain, then you're looking at an entire universe!!

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09-05-2005, 05:44 PM

Something is popping up again...

What if a PROBABILITY gets to be a SIGNIFICATION in our brain???

What if we GIVE signification to only probabilities which then are 'the real world'???



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(Maybe our unconsciousness is built only with probabilities... and maybe our consciousness is built with significations...)

Then maybe a foton could be a probability instead of a unit of consciousness?
  
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09-05-2005, 07:38 PM

(Another thing popping up...)


Now, what if we think of reality beiing virtual reality...

Imagen that on our personal computer we would have a game build with artificial intelligence... for example you are the user of the computer and you are playing a wargame where you have to kill the soldiers that the program sends you in the game; the game is using artificial intelligence; this means the program decides isn't always sending you the same soldiers; no... it's creative and it 'thinks'... it decides what soldiers it will send to you, how many, when, etc... it's creating smart strategies against the user (maybe you'll lose...)...

Now, does this program 'know' about you're existence? Does it 'know' it's only build out of zero's and one's...?

Does it 'know' it's only a program? However, it exists, because it can think...
("Je pense donc je suis"...)

We can 'think' and we 'exist'. But do we know we are only 'a program?' (assuming we are...)
In the Middelages,... did we know reality was quantisized?
Do we know who is playing with us? (if somebody is...)

What about the 2-hole-experiment?
When we assume an electron is a unit of 'consciousness'...

When you mesure electrons with a machine measuring wavelenghts then you don't have particals, but you have waves...
When you measure them with a machine measuring 'particals', then they suddenly are not waves anymore but they behave as particals...

This is called 'complementarity'... Maybe it's not a partical or not a wave, maybe it's a 'gubbuk' (that's a word I invented...).

It's no partical, it's no wave, maybe it's just 'consciousness' or 'knowledge' interfering with our 'consciousness'...

I call 'reality' 'virtual reality' because I just have the feeling 'someone' is 'thinking' it...

When we have an image in our head, we can 'see' it; it's 'real', even memories; but it's not, it's chemical!!
Maybe WHAT WE SEE IS WHAT 'THE FORCE' 'THINKS...'

I think a unit of energy has something to do with a unit of consciousness and with virtual reality...?
  
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09-05-2005, 08:07 PM

"Je pense donc je suis", Descartes said.

Now, when you take for example one molecule of sand; this molecule EXISTS...

So if Descartes is right, this molecule would be able to think, else it wouldn't be...

However I don't think a molecule of sand can think... But still it EXISTS...

Is something not right here??
  
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09-05-2005, 08:20 PM

I also once stated that downloading the information inside our brain on some kind of artificial intelligence or computer was our only hope to let our consciousness survive...

But last I went to the movie 'the Island'; and I'm having some ethical problems with my idea...

When we wonna download our consciousness (and unconsciousness) to a kind of AI, we might 'kill' the consciousness which is already present in the AI!! This is not ethical... Or we should be able to 'activate' the AI only when the download is completed; so we don't 'kill' the consciousness of the AI!
  
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09-06-2005, 08:07 AM

Another thing...


Maybe we are just a foton...

Imagen this, we are a foton travelling through timespace...


Then we would be just like 'a laser' reading a CD-rom or a DVD...

Then timespace would be like a CD-rom...

And a foton would have consciousness.

Then we would THINK we have a body but this would only be part of the 'CD-rom'...

THEN THE FOTON WOULDN'T KNOW ANYTHING... IT WOULD ONLY KNOW OR BE CONSCIOUS OF ANYTHING WHEN IT WOULD TRAVEL THROUGH SPACETIME AND 'READ' THE CD-ROM...???????????? By doing this it would be 'connected' to the material world and itself beiing not really matter...
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09-06-2005, 08:09 AM

You know the foto-electric effect...


One foton could fall on a retine of a human and travel to the brain...(fotochemical reaction)...

Maybe it would think it IS the brain...

The speed of light is the speed of time of course!
  
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09-06-2005, 08:29 AM

And about EPR...


When a scientist influences the polarisation of one foton, the other foton (far away get influenced as well...) Maybe he's just measuring himself???
  
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09-06-2005, 08:34 AM

MESSAGE TO DLEVIWNG (DAVE)...


You obviously had an academic education (I didn't); and you're obviously very smart to...

Could you please help me and say which of all my interpretations have THE POTENTIAL of being right and which ones don't have?
(of course they could be all wrong as well...; just a question...)

Thanks anyway...
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