[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl

Michael, I understand that wrongdoers will always try to justify their actions, but my thinking was that in saying we are all principles of universal law, you open the door for this type of justification. In any event, I am not sure how this contributes to those 'finer hues'...

Well that now Harmony is a very interesting question,to add these finer
hues requires a process of re-defining what we know as life?have you any suggestions as to how we may do this Harmony?

kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Michael, I actually don't believe that this the best direction in which to proceed. It seems to me that existence in this dimension is characterized by difference rather than similarity (country, religion, gender, orientation, ability, etc), which differences are largely illusory in truth. I think that to counter this almost irresitable impulse, we need to find connections. The search for finer hues presupposes an understanding of that connectedness, which I am not certain is shared by all. It seems backwards to me, but if you can find a way to start from first principles and proceed to arrive at the 'finer hues' thoery, it may be possible. Good luck!

[r.p.bibra]

if apple hits the head,we cannot blame the law of gravity.when toe if found& there are still natural disorders,we cannot blame the toe! nature is governed by cosmic-laws,as society is governed by the constituition,law& order machinery,judiciary etc---still there are crimes.can we blame the laws?

[harmonygirl]

rp, we are not talking about blame, (at least I am not), we are talking about how to reach truth. Laws are not crafted in an objective and fair manner, they always hold the bias of those who draft them. Laws have historically been the instrument of oppression, not always the path of liberation. I know whereof I speak. I do not believe the TOE will be found through emphasis of division or 'finer hues' or anything that moves away from a realization of interconnectedness...

[mkirkpatrick]

Harmony,I realize fully what you are saying,and I am believe it or not
saying the same?You say interconnectiveness,yes that is right,when i am talking about the idea that we seem to be the outworking of a law or
principle made into form and animated,I am notjust talking about you or I,
I am talking about all of creation!There is no seperateness in what i am saying
Harmony,maybe a peculiar way of presenting the topic,but i am trying to
see this from a slightly different angle,hoping thiswill spark of some fresh
insights into the subject in question.One postive outcome is that your
questioning has made me question what I write and think about the subject
in question,and that is a positive thing,dont you think Harmony.

regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl

rp, we are not talking about blame, (at least I am not), we are talking about how to reach truth. Laws are not crafted in an objective and fair manner, they always hold the bias of those who draft them. Laws have historically been the instrument of oppression, not always the path of liberation. I know whereof I speak. I do not believe the TOE will be found through emphasis of division or 'finer hues' or anything that moves away from a realization of interconnectedness...

but we, the ls. think, are talking about the laws of nature. scientists have 'discovered' quite a few of these,hardly any has proved wrong.however you are 100% right about the man made laws.less said,is better than rattling our brains on things which originate from their degenrated minds& we have no controll over them! things might be better in your part of the world, but our side is worst affected by this contagious disease.ls. has been part of this viciouc system,so he feels its stink for more intensely& knows also that there is hardly any remedy,as all have-alls(in part of the world) are involved.leave these hapless people(including the ls) to their lot&confine to things which relate to 'higher-mind' ,which you people are presently engaged in.no malice intented.

[harmonygirl]

okay, rp, I'm not sure who you mean by 'you people' perhaps you could explain...The laws of nature are immutable, surely, however, let's not forget that they must be interpreted by humans, who seem to inject ego into them (the sun goes around the Earth for example). What I'm saying is that first and foremost, interconnectedness (and the humility that comes with that) needs to be realized by more people than presently 'get it'. I think it's backwards to try to view interconnectedness through separation (just yet anyway), the fact that everything is everything is not widely recognized enough for these other distinctions to be efficacious.

[mkirkpatrick]

I am within the principle of livingness,at the furthest outpost of divinty?I have within me,vouchsafed and sealed the seeds of perfection?When I say I
by the way I mean all of manifestation,not just me!Just in case someone
thought that I was off my Rocker,so to speak,gone nuts?When we look deeply within ourselves,we seem to loose cohesion,the personality fades
into obscourity,and is no more,that what you thought was you,gets more
expanded,and indentification with the laws of life-the principles that we are
in effect exhibiting,and are the embodiments of seem more and more part
of our now expanded Being?We begin to realize,anda dawning within takes
place,that these universal laws,are actual points of intelligence?And that
we are within that Lawful Mind??

kindest regards michael,

[Aiya-Oba]

Hi Harmonygirl:
I think what Mkirkpatrict started out to establish is that:in actuality, every particle is a materialized principle.Such that, for every particle ,there is a definite principle ,within the indefinite Principle of the material Unive rse. - Aiya-Oba.
Please, the smile on the word universe as above, arrived there on it own.

Stay glorious!

[harmonygirl]

Aiya-Oba, while I can agree that every particle is defined within the larger realm of the undefined, I believe that exploring connectedness will bring about more quickly the realization of the universal than considering particles as aspects of principle, intention, will, 'finer hues' or what have you. Perhaps we will just have to disagree on this one. IMO there is far to much emphasis placed on the notion of separateness, the realization that needs to be had is of how everything is everything. If definition is explored before this understanding, we may never get there.