[Profpat]

Well PIF I stand corrected, in which case he probably was the most honest politician.

Best,

Pat

[Fluent Piffle]

You are an Honest man, Pat.

Best to you!


pif.

[Profpat]

[quote=Fluent Piffle;38535]You are an Honest man, Pat

Well thanks for the compliment PIF.

I wish I was.

I think a basic trait in mankind is to be honest, and I think we are up to the age of 2 or 3, but then society conditions us, to avoid punishment or to obtain reward, to lie.

Very unfortunate. Maybe thats one of the reasons we have to be like children to enter the kingdom.

Best to you,

Pat

[Fluent Piffle]

I think a basic trait in mankind is to be honest, and I think we are up to the age of 2 or 3, but then society conditions us, to avoid punishment or to obtain reward, to lie.

I think this is about spot-on, Pat! - But I am also of the opinion that we retain our essence of Honesty, at 'source', and maybe this is the 'entering the kingdom' you speak of? - A return to Reality, in my parlance. That does not equate to becoming like children, but just to delve deep enough into our inner selves that we once again are able to re-connect with our Natural (Honest) states of being. It is never 'lost', and thus all people have the ability to once again 'find'.

I think this searching of inner self is actually the true essence of 'spirituality', and Really does connect us with the greatest of all Truths, as we are also it.


pif.

[sillysally]

[quote=Profpat;38541]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

You are an Honest man, Pat

Well thanks for the compliment PIF.

I wish I was.

I think a basic trait in mankind is to be honest, and I think we are up to the age of 2 or 3, but then society conditions us, to avoid punishment or to obtain reward, to lie.

Very unfortunate. Maybe thats one of the reasons we have to be like children to enter the kingdom.

Best to you,

Pat

I've notice that even if a child comes clean, let's say he stole something, and admits to doing it, he still gets in trouble. So people lie to avoid the trouble. We get punished for being honest and punished for lying, it doesn't make sense. I never punished my child for being honest. But I do know that most people don't like it also. What's most disturbing to me is when someone calls me a liar when I am being honest.

[Profpat]

Hi Sally and PIF;

PIF, I agree with what you are saying. I think becoming like little children is a metaphor, to return to our basic instincts. Not only are they honest but also trusting. When my daughter and grandson visited me in July, he was 7 months old. I would pick him up , no screaming or fussing, rather he would open his little arms trusting me. PIF if you did the same to him you also would have the same reaction from him. How beautiful is his love, truth and trust.

Well, we have to train this little guy to be wary of strangers. I'm not sure how many children are spared because of this advice, but it carries with it many negative consequences.e.g. Fear and mistrust of their fellow man is surely one of them.

Indeed, little Kevin will be kicked out of Eden also, only to begin his quest to return. Such is all of our lot in life.

Sally;

It sounds like you're a great mom. You love them the best you can, and God's will, will be done.

Best to both of you,

Pat

P.S. I think I might hug a tree today PIF since I don't have anyone living with me, and I really do like nature.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by sillysally

I don't think you're pathetic David Maes, just the thought of having to protect a person's fantasy is pathetic. I like making everything real.

How real will everything be for you, once you realize that you'll be condamned to the earth, eaten by worms?

How real will everything be for you, once you know your life is finished forever, and you'll never come back?

Do you really worry about dying and never coming back? Huh, it's pathetic!

Posting is just posting, but what will you do, once you know it's finished? Then some silly posting won't save you.

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Originally Posted by sillysally

I don't think you're pathetic David Maes, just the thought of having to protect a person's fantasy is pathetic. I like making everything real.

But don't take it personal.

Originally Posted by dleviwing

David;
I have moved your post to its own thread to allow me to answer your questions without further disruption of the Motion thread with such off topic posts.

You started it against Mkirckpatrick.

Don't demand others to do what you can't do yourself.
I just answered your answer.

And don't edit in your own advantage.

If you don't believe, then take a look; you are a positivist, aren't you?

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

I am not an emotional person but I am very analytical. Raising four children I leaned to appear emotional in order to give them the illusion that I was angry with what they did. Some people never think you are serious unless you yell or scream; that’s very unfortunate that I must treat adults like children to make them understand they are misbehaving.

Before raising others, first learn to raise yourself.

A person without emotions is not human.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by David Maes

A person without emotions is not human.

All 'Persons' are 'Human'. There are no exceptions !!

Dave (M) ... Life is not a rehearsal, its now, and its once only. When we are gone, we really are gone. There is nothing to be afraid of here ?? Superstitious beliefs won't change the outcome ??

Millions have gone before us and of their bones the dust is made.

cool bananas ... greg

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

I am not against peoples belief systems unless those systems impose on the rights of others. Posting religious beliefs in a science forum is violating my rights and is simply RUDE. Posting off topic posts in a members thread is also a violation of that members rights and simply RUDE. Even though I am an atheist I do not impose or promote that belief system on others and expect the same from them. Can you say the same for Christians, Moslems, Jewish, or most other religions? Many people require such philosophies to instill right and wrong in people of a society and others simply use them to instill fear and control. Governments do not need sub-governments within them!

I'm not against atheism, unless it imposes on the right of a belief system; actually I'm kind of an agnost myself (I thought you allready knew that, cause I allready posted it); allthough I keep my mind open for belief; cause I'm not sure of that.

In your answer to MKirckpatrick post, you answered (= off topic), so I answered your answer. Then you started to get rude.

Actually I consider what MKirckpatrick posted on topic!

I also don't impose a belief system on others, like I don't impose atheism on others (which I think is a belief system also).

I'm also against people who instill fear and control; I consider that what you did.