[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao

is misunderstanding the same as ignorance (lack of knowledge of any kind)?

Ignorance is happiness. I especially knwo tht becuase know that I learn and learn more things, I see that I'm less and less happy, atleast in facing life, and it's themes. It is true that when a person becomes really wise, that person realises that there is no inportance in doing anything becuase you'l be forgotten somewhere, and with you, every of your wokrs will be losts...

[davidgow77]

Originally Posted by <<>>

DG,

To start, for most believers of god, god isn't love. or maybe yes, but not only that.

From a Christian perspective, God is Love is stated in the Gospel of John, and is a statement that cannot be expanded upon. Anthropomorphic views of God (the assignment of human characteristics to God) associated with religion are theologically unsound, in the sense that they impose upon God imperfectness. The reason why God is described in an anthropomorphic manner is that one cannot describe something that does not exist physically without using physical analogies (other than to link God with other metaphysical concepts such as love). In this regard, metaphysical perfection (i.e. God or Love) can only be described by drawing analogies with the best aspects of humanity... and even so, this does not come close to describing what God (or indeed Love) actually is. To draw an analogy, trying to explain to someone what God is is like trying to explain to a blind man what the colour red looks like. If the blind man could once see, he will know, but if he has always been blind, he will have no concept of the nature of red. The only way to describe it would be to assign physical properties to it: "Red is hot." or "Red is like the desert sun" However, these only serve to give a perpective of what red is; they cannot give an apt description of its true nature. Saying that God is Love is like saying to a blind man Red is like Blue. If we just say for the sake of arguement that the blind man was once partially sited but could only see in hues of blue, he would be able to see that Red is like blue, but not blue. In this regard, the notion that God is love can be interpreted that God actually is love (thus the quest is to define love), or that God is like love in the sense that neither have physicality, but both are eternal.


DG

[Guille]

I desagree DG,


Most of the widely accepted descriptions of god and his properties aren't human like. For example:

Eternity, perfection, infinity, creator, goodness (completely), loveness (compeltely)....and others.


The fact used to make a difference between him and us are the things that we can't or aren't.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE

when a person becomes really wise

This person will always wear a facial smile.

[davidgow77]

Guille,

I agree with you completely regarding your last post. The point I was trying to get across was that interpreting God as anything other than the qualities you have just stated leads to an improper concept of God. For an anti-theist atheist, you have a surprisingly good concept of God from a Judeo-Christian-Islamic perspective. Would you mind stating your reasons for your stated atheist standpoint, as I would be very interested to know??

DG

[Guille]

Originally Posted by davidgow77

Guille,

I agree with you completely regarding your last post. The point I was trying to get across was that interpreting God as anything other than the qualities you have just stated leads to an improper concept of God. For an anti-theist atheist, you have a surprisingly good concept of God from a Judeo-Christian-Islamic perspective. Would you mind stating your reasons for your stated atheist standpoint, as I would be very interested to know??

DG

Well, I don't belief in god's existence and I am against religious organisation and hierarchy because I belief it is only has one principal menaning , since the very firsts religions:

To get the mind of people, and make them become esclaves in mind, having to be dogmatised their morals, ethics and logics, which are the basic things of our minds, and which is the same as dogmatising life. I bet you got the idea....hehhe

I do know and accept that many atheists or anti-theists have a really wrong definition and decription of god, and that's why their demostrations are ussually incorrect. The fact is, that I have never beliefed in god, now I'm 14 and since I think I was 9 or 8, I don't belief in god, I think I stoped beliving in god when I got to know that santa claus was actually my parents (one of the biggest deceptions of a children's life) and I always had a conection between them and stil have: the creation of the more inteligent and powerfull (rich and intelectuals and parents) to have controled their population-childrens.

But for my various demostrations of god un-existance (whih I haven't posts jet, due to the lack of time (they are very long) and that many here are religious and would morally be affecte dbuy them) I have to have a correct god's definition. Also that I go to an international school with jewish, islam, christian, chinese....(I don't know their religion, is it hundaism? or budaism?).

Maybe I'll post my demsotrations later....

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao

This person will always wear a facial smile.

yyyy....es....but s/he will always know that his life has no mening mora than........being happy. Which is something normal to someone here speaking, but to such a wise person, it would be a complete disapointment.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE

but s/he will always know that his life has no mening mora than........being happy

at the least, a preoccupied mind of a wise person will prevent the fear of thinking about the eternity after death. Often, I thought about the eternity after death and I was always stricken with a resignation that there is nothing I can do about it so I snapped out of it by doing things I wanted to do and not to do something what others want me to do. In this way, I am developing a way for a self-realization for eventual self-actualization beyond the needs of ordinary life (see Maslow's hierarchy of needs).

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao

at the least, a preoccupied mind of a wise person will prevent the fear of thinking about the eternity after death. Often, I thought about the eternity after death and I was always stricken with a resignation that there is nothing I can do about it so I snapped out of it by doing things I wanted to do and not to do something what others want me to do. In this way, I am developing a way for a self-realization for eventual self-actualization beyond the needs of ordinary life (see Maslow's hierarchy of needs).

you are actually calling yourself one of the most wise men of the world. It seems your even more modest than omni.......this is a terribly perfect-most-exiting-incredibly-good modest forum.

Remembering the original theme, if you think happiness is love or vice versa, then love isn't real. because happiness isn't real.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE

because happiness isn't real.

happiness is absolutely subjective. It only exists in the mind. To be happy is to have no fear because fear leads to worry and anxiety and indigestion and life is too short to have all these problems but nobody is perfect.

Happiness is finding what you are looking for. In this sense, I can say that I am not a happy person. Remember, a wise person does not have any smugness or complacency and wise person is not just modest but proud (self-worthiness and self-esteem without any form of inferiority complex).