[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao happiness is absolutely subjective. It only exists in the mind. To be happy is to have no fear because fear leads to worry and anxiety and indigestion and life is to short to have all these problems but nobody is perfect.

simply,, incredible.

That post DOES deserve being a post of a master, because its a master post.

You said it all their.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE That post DOES deserve being a post of a master, because its a master post.

Thanks. Does this mean that this thread is closed?

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Thanks. Does this mean that this thread is closed?

Well, If someone wants to speak here he/she can, but for me everything that had to been said yhas been said.

[davidgow77]

Guille,

You are without a doubt the most intelligent 14 year old I have ever come into contact with. FACT. I hope you do well at school, and I think that you should study philosophy at University, because you have clearly already acheived freedom of thought. I'm 27 by the way.

I'm still writing my short paper on the philosophy of the self, which I think you would find very interesting. What I would say is that I completely agree with your arguement against religious dogma, but I hold the view that dogma serves the purpose of reinforcing faith in God. Many people come to put their faith in the dogma itself, thinking that their dogma is unquestionable and that commitment to dogma equates to commitment to God, which is entirely wrong.

Religious dogma is the scaffolding we use to create our own understanding of ourselves and of God. Once the structure (ie our own theory of the self, or even of everything) is complete, we have no further use for the scaffold (the dogma). In this regard, one should look carefully at all dogmatic principles (Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, Agnosticism, science, western philosophy, Confucian wisdom etc etc), as they will lead to the most complete TOE and Theory of self.

Out of interest.... Real Madrid or Barca???

DG

[Guille]

Well, I live in madrid, being a barça fan here would be masoquism.


Real madrid till the end but, this year and last one have been terible, our president has a face that he doesn't know what else to do. I have to go, thanks for the recomendation of philosophy studying.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by davidgow77 You are without a doubt the most intelligent 14 year old I have ever come into contact with

i agree. For such comprehension, i think your age is really

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao i agree. For such comprehension, i think your age is really

haahhah..................that is true. (see, I also learn to be modest.....

[JAK]

Originally Posted by <<>> I put the questions, each of us can give an answer... Personally, I think that nearly 90€ of the times we are happy, we are't. That happiness is created by our minds, and it is like a perfect clone of happiness that our brains create. Also, many people think of happiness a something to achieve, as the goal of our lifes......That is wrong. Happiness is completely impossible to be directly created or provoke happiness. You can help it to happen inderctly. Happiness is a moment, that can be second, minutes, maybe hours, not more, when you feel complete and satisfyed.

Forgive my late attendance ...

This thread has spun off into the mire of ethereal concepts - God, levity, etc. - and I believe it deserves some comment more in line with a TOE.

First, the common denominator of the universe is energy. If happiness, fear, curiosity, and the plethora of other "feelings and emotions" exist, they must be manifestations of energy.

Energy is described in vectors having direction and magnitude. If there are differences in "feelings and emotions," then the energy vectors must be different - even if they exist just in the mind. Thus, the distribution of energy during "happiness" must be different from the distribution for fear. All other "feelings/emotions" must likewise have some differences in energy distribution.

Anything which exists long enough to be recognized must be deemed systematic for the duration of the event. Since it is based in energy, it must be deemed an energy system. We are, thus, energy systems (Elizabeth Duffy, 1930s-1940s).

Many, if not all, energy systems have tolerances or ranges within which they can continue to exist. For example, humans have a very narrow temperature range which must be maintained in order to survive. Nonetheless, this is a range. Further, these temperature ranges vary depending upon the part of the body involved.

To be within the tolerances of these ranges allows survival of the system. This is termed homeostasis (Walter Cannon, 1920s). This is not a static state, but a dynamic one. A great variety of energy distributions within the human body will allow continued survival. Thus, a variety of emotions as well as other bodily motions (running, swimming, thinking, sleeping, etc.) which equate to various energy distributions is consistent with this approach.

If a human, or any living creature, is threatened, the ability to effectively distribute energy to avoid the threat is imperative to survival. For external threats (lions & tigers & bears ...), distributing energy to the limbs for "fight or flight" (again, Walter Cannon) is highly successful.

However, human (and other creature) metabolism has a finite amount of energy to distribute (an energy budget). Those creatures which split their energy between internal and external behaviors during a threat, limit the time available for "fight or flight." Those which temporarily sacrifice internal subsystems to conserve energy and maximize energy for "fight or flight" tend to show more endurance and likely survive. Those which have split their energy resources tend to be culled by natural selection (Darwin/Spencer, late 1800s; Schrodinger, 1940s; Keeran, 1990s; Henriques, 1990s).

The shifting of energy resources is sensed by us, and we reference these shifts as "feelings/emotions." When we go into stress (fear, anger) in preparation for "fight or flight," blood (energy resources) are diverted from the torso and digestion system to the extremities (arms and legs) - (once again, Walter Cannon). The loss of blood flow in the torso is felt as a "sinking feeling" or "sick feeling" - attributed to fear. Once the threat is overcome or avoided, the distribution back to the torso is returned. This is deemed a "warmth" or feeling "hearty."

If we seek happiness, as asserted by Aristotle over 2000 years ago, then it must equate to homeostasis - an optimum and balanced distribution of energy within the organism. If we consider 'fear' and 'loathing" aversive and avoid them, then these must equate to non-homeostatic (imbalanced) states which are inherently destructive long term.

Is happiness real? Absolutely. Are "feelings/emotions" only in the mind? From a naturist point of view (which should be a TOE point of view), feelings are rheostat switches in the mind which control energy distributions in the body.

What is happiness? It is an energy distribution within the body which must equate to homeostasis. It is healthful, and we should seek it in order to survive.

[Guille]

I think my brain doesn't work well anymore. I can't read a post without finding relations from it to god.

And, you were actually writing trying to get away of the god theme! but does have a lot to do with happiness, and with the TOE.

your "homoestatis" search and your theory of human race, is just a way or a derivative, or a part of the human race for perfection. Which, I have already posted this, leads to eternal stupidity, but we are humans......

coming to the happiness, you are considering happiness being energy, which is the same thing Antonio and others have done. But,can we convert happiness energy into, for example, kinetic energy? into heat? into sound? you will probably be thinking whiles you read this that yes, it can be converted because when we are happy we run, sing, swet.....(not necesarily, but can) but that is usss, and our "mental state" which in the physical world is translated in form of energy and other physical properties.

I just find that we are not in dispute at all! I also think that happiness is energy nut in the physical world. Or better said, happiness is manifestated as energy in the physical world.

[JAK]

Originally Posted by <<>> I think my brain doesn't work well anymore. I can't read a post without finding relations from it to god. And, you were actually writing trying to get away of the god theme! but does have a lot to do with happiness, and with the TOE. your "homoestatis" search and your theory of human race, is just a way or a derivative, or a part of the human race for perfection. Which, I have already posted this, leads to eternal stupidity, but we are humans...... coming to the happiness, you are considering happiness being energy, which is the same thing Antonio and others have done. But,can we convert happiness energy into, for example, kinetic energy? into heat? into sound? you will probably be thinking whiles you read this that yes, it can be converted because when we are happy we run, sing, swet.....(not necesarily, but can) but that is usss, and our "mental state" which in the physical world is translated in form of energy and other physical properties. I just find that we are not in dispute at all! I also think that happiness is energy nut in the physical world. Or better said, happiness is manifestated as energy in the physical world.

The theoretical ideas I presented do not imply God nor do they deny God.

Happiness is a distribution of energy - the same garden variety as kinetic, potential, and Krebs cycle (ATP) energy. Happiness is not a special type of energy, it is merely a balanced distribution of energy within a living organism.

Fear is an imbalanced distribution wherein some parts of the body receive less resources than they need. For instance, during "fight or flight," of what use is the immune system while running from a tiger? Not much. Who cares if you catch a cold? Your body doesn't because it drains resources from the immune system and sends them over to "fight or flight". The human system prefers escape from a huge danger while accepting a lesser danger.

Natural selection demands trade-offs from us. This is seen more clearly with sickle cell anemia. Though this type of anemia tends to shorten the carrier's life span, it is more resistant to malaria. By sacrificing a long life, it increases the likelihood of reaching adulthood and reproduction.

Again, "happiness" is not a new kind nor a special kind of energy. It is merely a DISTRIBUTION of energy within the body which is beneficial and ideal.