[not2too]

I think it might be a good time to introduce Alfred Jarry and his science of 'Pataphysics to this thread and to ToeQuest in general. I will attempt a 'Pataphysical investigation of the nature of reality and discuss what such an inquiry can contribute to a TOE in future posts.

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not2too

[G_burnett]

heres one i heard

when Einsteins neighbor got a little puppy he remarked

"yes! ... I have always pondered the canine condition of being able to take in with unlimited void, a pound of food at one end and then later have two pounds come out the other side."

Graham Peace`

[not2too]

Originally Posted by G_burnett

heres one i heard

when Einsteins neighbor got a little puppy he remarked

"yes! ... I have always pondered the canine condition of being able to take in with unlimited void, a pound of food at one end and then later have two pounds come out the other side."

Graham Peace`

How 'Pataphysical Graham...as you will see. Below, I present Roger Shattuck's first two summarizing statements about Jarry's 'Pataphysics...

1. 'Pataphysics is the science of the realm beyond metaphysics; or. 'Pataphysics lies as far beyond metaphysics as metaphysics lies beyond physics - in one direction or another.
Now, metaphysics is a word which can mean exactly what one wants it to mean, whence its continuing popularity. To Aristotle it meant merely the field of speculation he took up after physics. The pataphysician beholds the entire created universe, and all others with it, and sees that they are neither good nor bad but pataphysical. Rene Daumal, writing in the twentieth century, said that he proposed to do for metaphysics what Jules Vern had done for physics. 'Pataphysics, then, entering the great beyond in whatever direction it may lie, offers us a voyage of discovery and adventure into what Jarry called "ethernity." That, of course, is where we all live.

2. 'Pataphysics is the science of the particular, of laws governing exceptions.
The realm beyond metaphysics will not be reached by vaster and vaster generalities; this has been the error of contemporary thought. A return to the particular shows that every event determines a law, a particular law. 'Pataphysics relates each thing and each event not to any generality (a mere plastering over of exceptions) but to the singularity that makes it an exception. Thus the science of 'Pataphysics attempts no cures, envisages no progress, distrusts all claims of "improvement" in the state of things, and remains innocent of any message. 'Pataphysics is pure science, lawless and therefore impossible to outlaw.

...to be continued...

Further,
not2too

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by not2too

How 'Pataphysical Graham...as you will see. Below, I present Roger Shattuck's first two summarizing statements about Jarry's 'Pataphysics...

1. 'Pataphysics is the science of the realm beyond metaphysics; or. 'Pataphysics lies as far beyond metaphysics as metaphysics lies beyond physics - in one direction or another.
Now, metaphysics is a word which can mean exactly what one wants it to mean, whence its continuing popularity. To Aristotle it meant merely the field of speculation he took up after physics. The pataphysician beholds the entire created universe, and all others with it, and sees that they are neither good nor bad but pataphysical. Rene Daumal, writing in the twentieth century, said that he proposed to do for metaphysics what Jules Vern had done for physics. 'Pataphysics, then, entering the great beyond in whatever direction it may lie, offers us a voyage of discovery and adventure into what Jarry called "ethernity." That, of course, is where we all live.

2. 'Pataphysics is the science of the particular, of laws governing exceptions.
The realm beyond metaphysics will not be reached by vaster and vaster generalities; this has been the error of contemporary thought. A return to the particular shows that every event determines a law, a particular law. 'Pataphysics relates each thing and each event not to any generality (a mere plastering over of exceptions) but to the singularity that makes it an exception. Thus the science of 'Pataphysics attempts no cures, envisages no progress, distrusts all claims of "improvement" in the state of things, and remains innocent of any message. 'Pataphysics is pure science, lawless and therefore impossible to outlaw.

...to be continued...

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not2too

Yes not2too

please continue!

Peace!~graham

[not2too]

Originally Posted by G_burnett

Yes not2too

please continue!

Peace!~graham

OK...Shattuck's third statement about 'Pataphysics...

3. 'Pataphsics is the science of imaginary solutions.
In the realm of the particular, every event arises from an infinite number of causes. All solutions, therefore, to particular problems, all attributions of cause and effect, are based on arbitrary choice, another term for scientific imagination. Gravity as curvature of space or as electro-magnetic attraction -- does it make any difference which solution we accept? Understanding either of them entails a large exercise of scientific imagination. Science must elect the solution that fits the facts -- travel of light or fall of an apple. 'Pataphysics welcomes all scientific theories (they are getting better and better) and treats each one not as a generality but as an attempt, sometimes heroic and sometimes pathetic, to pin down one point of view as "real." Students of philosopy may remember the German Hans Vaihinger with his philosophy of als ob. Ponderously yet persistently he declared that we construct our own system of thought and value, and then live "as if" reality conformed to it. The idea of "truth" is the most imaginary of all solutions.

Best,
not2too

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by not2too

OK...Shattuck's third statement about 'Pataphysics...

3. 'Pataphsics is the science of imaginary solutions.
In the realm of the particular, every event arises from an infinite number of causes. All solutions, therefore, to particular problems, all attributions of cause and effect, are based on arbitrary choice, another term for scientific imagination. Gravity as curvature of space or as electro-magnetic attraction -- does it make any difference which solution we accept? Understanding either of them entails a large exercise of scientific imagination. Science must elect the solution that fits the facts -- travel of light or fall of an apple. 'Pataphysics welcomes all scientific theories (they are getting better and better) and treats each one not as a generality but as an attempt, sometimes heroic and sometimes pathetic, to pin down one point of view as "real." Students of philosopy may remember the German Hans Vaihinger with his philosophy of als ob. Ponderously yet persistently he declared that we construct our own system of thought and value, and then live "as if" reality conformed to it. The idea of "truth" is the most imaginary of all solutions.

Best,
not2too

Hello my learned friend,

This is somehow terrible that i might be described in being looked at as pathetic but then as i have said in consideration of ethical research it does boil down to one making in the human persona the best guess based on the individual imaginary to the persona at hand "truth?"

This freedom of thought process to determine what is real and share although some sharing may be pathetic it is again a point of view or opinion, as the old pathetic persona i may be, Ty ... i have no ego in this.

I remember hearing of the monster called the great Foo who lived under a foot bridge in China. You had to pay a price to the Foo or if attempting to cross it would cause you great harm.

One day three broke men one at a time tried to cross having no money. The first halfway over had the Foo jump up to the bridge deck and say who are you not to pay? and then quickly shit on the mans head saying "if you ever try to take the shit off I will appear and slay you for the rest of you life this is your punishment."

well as soon as the fellow got to the other side he wiped it off and the Foo appeared and slew him.

The second man faced the Foo and here again was told the same thing on the bridge. ... this time the second man ran three miles away and wiped his head and met immediately the same fate.

the third man he crossed with the same burden put on him and never wiped his head for over ten years keeping a hat on till one day as he was going to get married he cleaned his head.

Immediately the Foo appeared and slew him to.

The moral of the story is: "if the Foo shits, wear it."


Peace!~Graham

[not2too]

Originally Posted by G_burnett

Hello my learned friend,

This is somehow terrible that i might be described in being looked at as pathetic but then as i have said in consideration of ethical research it does boil down to one making in the human persona the best guess based on the individual imaginary to the persona at hand "truth?"

This freedom of thought process to determine what is real and share although some sharing may be pathetic it is again a point of view or opinion, as the old pathetic persona i may be, Ty ... i have no ego in this.

I remember hearing of the monster called the great Foo who lived under a foot bridge in China. You had to pay a price to the Foo or if attempting to cross it would cause you great harm.

One day three broke men one at a time tried to cross having no money. The first halfway over had the Foo jump up to the bridge deck and say who are you not to pay? and then quickly shit on the mans head saying "if you ever try to take the shit off I will appear and slay you for the rest of you life this is your punishment."

well as soon as the fellow got to the other side he wiped it off and the Foo appeared and slew him.

The second man faced the Foo and here again was told the same thing on the bridge. ... this time the second man ran three miles away and wiped his head and met immediately the same fate.

the third man he crossed with the same burden put on him and never wiped his head for over ten years keeping a hat on till one day as he was going to get married he cleaned his head.

Immediately the Foo appeared and slew him to.

The moral of the story is: "if the Foo shits, wear it."


Peace!~Graham

Above all Graham...do not personalize Jarry's or Shattuck's 'Pataphysical pronouncements...one of Jarry's most endearing qualities was his irreverence. A bit more of the 'Pataphysical approach...

4. For 'Pataphysics, all things are equal.
The pataphysician not only accepts no final scientific explanation of the universe, he also rejects all values, moral, aesthetic, and otherwise. The principle of universal equivalence and the conversion of opposites reduces the world in its pataphysical reality to particular cases only. All the more reason, indeed, that the pataphysician should enjoy "working," and in the most diverse ways, should respond to all the normal (and "abnormal") appetites of the flesh and the spirit, should sometimes behave with considerateness toward his neighbor and even fulfill a "responsible" role in society. 'Patapysics preaches no rebellion and no acquiescence, no new morality nor immorality, no political reform nor reaction and certainly no promise of happiness nor unhappiness. What would be the use, all things being equal? (note: hmmm, here the definitions are beginning to twist...)

More to come...

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not2too

[not2too]

Alfred Jarry on YouTube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE_a4V3PP6E

Best,
not2too

[not2too]

More 'Pataphysics...and a drawing of Jarry...

5. 'Pataphysics is, in aspect, imperturbable.
Jarry ws regarded by most of his contemporaries as a joker or a lunatic. Here lie the first errors of incomprehension. 'Pataphysics has nothing to do with humor or with the kind of tame insanity psychoanalysis has drummed into fashion. Life is, of course, absurd, and it is ludicrous to take it seriously. Only the comic is serious. The patapysician, therefore, remains entirely serious, attentive, imperturbable. He does not burst out laughing or curse when asked to fill our in quadruplicate a questionnare on his political affiliations or sexual habits: on the contrary, he details a different and equally valid activity on each of the four sheets. His imperturbability gives him anonymity and the possibility of savoring the full pataphysical richness of life.*

...more to come...

not2too

[not2too]

Here's the last of Shattuck's summarization of Jarry's exposition of 'Pataphysics. Even though Jarry died in 1907, 'Pataphysical investigations continue world wide and the emergence of an overall 'Pataphysical "answer" to all the BIG questions seems imminent...

6. All things are pataphysical; yet few men practice 'Pataphysics consciously.
No difference in value, only in state, exists between ordinary men and those who are consciously aware of the pataphysical naure of the world, including themselves. The College of 'Pataphysics is no better and no worse than the French Academy or than the Hilldale Garden Club Men's Auxiliary Committe of Three on Poison Ivy Extermination. The College, however, being aware of its own nature, can enjoy the spectacle of its own pataphysical behavior. And what science but 'Pataphysics can cope with consciousness, "self"-consciousness perpetually twisting out of itself into the reaches of ethernity? Pere Ubu's monstrous gidouille or belly is represented by a spiral, which Dr. Faustroll's 'Pataphysics transposes into a symbol of ethernal consciousness circling forever around itself. Symbol? By now all words are pataphysical, being equal.

7. Beyond 'Patapysics lies nothing; 'Pataphysics is the ultimate defense.
Like the sorcerer's apprentice, we have become vicims of our own knowledge - principally of our scientific and technological knowledge. In 'Pataphysics resides our only defense against ourselves. Not that 'Pataphysics will change history: that great improvisation of the past already belongs to the Science of Sciences. But 'Pataphysics allows a few individuals, beneath their imperurbability, to live up to their particular selves: ubu or Faustroll, you or I. Outwardly one may conform meticulously to the rituals and conventions of civilized life, but inwardly one watches this conformity with the care and enjoyment of a painter choosing his colors - or perhaps of a chameleon. 'Pataphysics, then, is an inner attitude, a discipline, a science, and an art, which allows each man to live his life as an exception, proving no law but his own.

*, Imperturbability is not just a dignified version of "cool kicks." "Playing it cool" means indifference and is, at best, an indifferent game. The pataphysician is concerned; not through engagement in an attempt to create human values, but in the manner of the child looking through a kaleidoscope or the astronomer studying the galaxy.

All the best to all...
not2too