[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com True, the the dream simulation model is the same for when we are awake. I inspected some items in my dreams close up and they they certainly looked the same.

Thats an interesting point you raised there Austin about inspecting dreams and seeing them the same,reminds me of lucid-dreaming which I did a lot of years ago,where you
are aware,(awake) yet still asleep,and able to control your dream,if I wanted to fly for
instance,I would just leap into the air and fly to where ever i chose to,one night i flew to
Mars and wandered around the planet in awe of the surroundings!

Lucid dreaming is as real as every day living,only more fun!


regards michael.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Holographics continued…

Schizophrenia presents us with some more evidence of reality simulation: One dreams while they are awake, although this usually doesn’t go over very well.

Hallucination from drugs or those images we see just before falling asleep are more examples of realities forming.

Optical interferences between the reference beams and some “code”, due to the superposition of some radiance waves, would produce a series of intensity fringes that could be recorded as our solid reality. These fringes could form a type of diffraction grating on the mind's eye, which is a hologram or interference patterns thus formed.

These recorded fringes do not only directly represent their respective corresponding points in the space of a scene (the way each point on a photograph will only represent a single point in the scene being photographed). Rather, an individual section of even very small size on a hologram's surface contains enough information to reconstruct the entire original encrypted scene as viewed through that mind's eye perspective. This is possible because, as during current holographic recordings, each point on the hologram's surface is affected by interference waves reflected from all points—in some timeless “void” for our Universe, rather than from just one point in a cosmos. It's as if, during recording, each point on the hologram's surface were individual mind eye's that could interpret everything it sees in any direction. After the hologram has been recorded, looking at a point in that hologram is like looking "through" each mind's interpretational capacity.

[not2too]

In thinking about how holograms made of light may be like holograms made of consciousness, the work of Peter Russell (introduced in his book, From Science To God, and presented in condensed form in an article which I have excerpted from here) is very suggestive and worth further discussion.

From: Mysterious Light: A Scientist's Odyssey
By Peter Russell
http://www.peterrussell.com/SG/IONS.php

"With hindsight, my decision to study theoretical physics along with experimental psychology was definitely the right one. They provided two complementary directions to my personal search for truth. Theoretical physics was taking me closer toward the ultimate truths of the physical world, while my pursuit of experimental psychology was a first step toward truth in the inner world of consciousness. Moreover, the deeper I went in these two directions, the closer the truths of the inner and outer worlds became. And the bridge between them was light.

Both relativity and quantum physics, the two great paradigm shifts of modern physics, started from anomalies in the behavior of light, and both led to radical new understandings of the nature of light. For example, in relativity theory, at the speed of light time comes to a stop-in effect, that means for light there is no time whatsoever. Furthermore, a photon can traverse the entire universe without using up any energy-in effect, that means for light there is no space. In quantum theory, we find that light has zero mass and charge, which in effect means that it is immaterial. Light, therefore, seems to occupy a very special place in the cosmic scheme; it is in some ways more fundamental than time, space, or matter. The same, I later discovered, was true of the inner light of consciousness.

Although all we ever see is light, paradoxically, we never know light directly. The light that strikes the eye is known only through the energy it releases. This energy is translated into a visual image in the mind, and that image seems to be composed of light-but that light is a quality of mind. We never know the light itself…


…We can now begin to see just how close are the parallels between the light of physics and the light of consciousness. Both are beyond the material world. And both seem to lie beyond space and time. Both seem intrinsically unknowable-at least in the way that everything else is known. And both are absolutes. Every photon of light is an identical quantum of action, and the foundation of every interaction in the universe. The light of consciousness is likewise absolute and invariant. It is the source of every quality that we ever experience. And its essential nature is the same for everyone. Since it is beyond all attributes and identifying characteristics, there is no way to distinguish the light of consciousness in me from the light that shines in you. In other words, how it feels to me to be conscious-that sense of being we label "I"-is the same as how it feels to you. In this sense we are one. We all know the same inner self.

I am the light. And so are you. And so is every sentient being in the universe."

Further,
not2too

[austintorn@aol.com]

Peter Russell sounds good—I always wondered about the mind's light—that which lights up the inside of our dark heads in dreams.

If there is a holographic universe, then where is the projector room and whence the interference patterns—from what encoded 2D place.

This all seems to require a lot of machinery, so, unless aliens are sending us patterns, maybe the code—the source—is like the quantum everything in superposition, and the radiant laser beam could be the light of consciousness that pervades the universe?

I feel like I am just making things up here.

When the tree falls in the forest and no one is around, there is only an interference pattern?

[not2too]

Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com Peter Russell sounds good—I always wondered about the mind's light—that which lights up the inside of our dark heads in dreams. If there is a holographic universe, then where is the projector room and whence the interference patterns—from what encoded 2D place. This all seems to require a lot of machinery, so, unless aliens are sending us patterns, maybe the code—the source—is like the quantum everything in superposition, and the radiant laser beam could be the light of consciousness that pervades the universe? I feel like I am just making things up here. When the tree falls in the forest and no one is around, there is only an interference pattern?

My comparison of light holography to a proposed consciousness holography is intended to be metaphorical not point by point analogous. No projection booth necessary. It does seem, however, that the universal light of consciousness could turn back (via "individual" consciousnesses) and "gaze" upon itself, creating interference patterns (become both reference and object beam) and our "reality"...and thereby become aware of itself.

Of the tree in the forest, it would seem that the tree falling and the tree not falling are in superposition...a smear...and that's it, without the presence of an individual consciousness to create the interference patterns which collapse the falling tree into an "event"...a holomovement.

Best
not2too

[austintorn@aol.com]

[mkirkpatrick]

What would be an impossible question?Prehaps it would be simply that existence outside
of mindful consciousness cannot ever be!Because there is NO outside would be the logical
answer.


regards michael.

[not2too]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick What would be an impossible question?Prehaps it would be simply that existence outside of mindful consciousness cannot ever be!Because there is NO outside would be the logical answer. regards michael.

Yes.
I am traveling for the next week or so and will not be online much...probably not posting much either during this period.
More later.
All the best,
not2too