Consciousness Holomovement

[not2too]

Can reality be viewed as a moving hologram made of consciousness instead of light, in which the usual reference beam of light consists, rather, as a "reference beam" of the background consciousness ("intent") of the universe, and the usual object beam of light is, rather, the individual consciousness of an observer?

[not2too]

I hate to be the first (and only so far) responder to this question, but here goes...

I discussed this with a Buddhist friend of mine (who is not a member of ToeQuest) and he sent me the following discussion of the question (maybe I asked the question the wrong way) from a Buddhist site...

Mind is a contracted form of Consciousness. Mind makes consciousness an activity while being nothing different from Consciousness at the same time. Different yet the same, so incomparable really and therefore un-definable even while seemingly of definition and dimension. A Hologram made of Consciousness is the Cosmos, is Samsara.

Consciousness is free as it is. Conditioned by attachment to duality as reality action takes place and thus reaction due to attachment to action as reality. This is mind. A contracted form of Consciousness, as the Pratyabhinjahridayam states as a matter of fact. So, though mind seems to be contracted and locatable to an individual, it is still nothing but the omnipresent consciousness in a seeming confinement due to it's mistaken attachment to appearance which seemingly contracts it's true nature from infinite to multiple finites appearing within the infinite. Yet, all is only consciousness of no parts, yet seemingly many parts defined by co-dependent arising. Yet what all the differences arise in and through is nothing but consciousness. Like water drops in the ocean. But in this case the drops think that they have a separate and self sustained identity. Since it's all only seemingly different, but essentially the same, there is nothing to compare to, as in a one to compare to the other, so really it's un-definable, and conceptual systems of metaphysics, or co-dependent arising fall short in their power to truly define that which is utter freedom, total Nirvana already. It's all a Hologram made of a seeming substance that only appears substantial as material and spiritual nature only due to a dream of attachment which creates something like a hologram. It's actually quite interesting to see right through everything just like a hologram, all the different dimensions reveal themselves right before your very eyes even while you are seeing matter, you see through the subtle layers. One even sees atomic structure and beyond that too. Inter-dimensional viewing is very interesting. But is not quite liberation in itself.

In the light of this discussion, maybe my question asks one to compare apples and oranges. Not sure though...

Further -
not2too

[not2too]

Maybe a discussion of The Matrix Trilogy as it relates to holographic consciousness, various TOEs, and the non-dual perspective is a better entry point for the exchanges I anticipated around this topic. A good place to start whether familiar with the Matrix movies or not is here...
http://www.nonduality.com/matrix.htm

Further.
not2too

[Mohan.C]

I'm not sure i got the point here actually. Are u saying that the mind is like a hologram.

[mkirkpatrick]

Can reality be viewed as a moving hologram made of consciousness instead of light, in which the usual reference beam of light consists, rather, as a "reference beam" of the background consciousness ("intent") of the universe, and the usual object beam of light is, rather, the individual consciousness of an observer?

It could for sure not2too,however it is as well to be mindful that both light and consciousness are one of the same thing,albeit one is of a more rapid vibration,that's
all.



regards michael.

[not2too]

I'm not sure i got the point here actually. Are u saying that the mind is like a hologram.

Yes. Quite a bit has been written on this from a variety of different points of view. Stanislav Grof's book "The Holotropic Mind" summarizes some of his work over a 35 year period. Carl Pribram has also theorized extensively in this area, as has Michael Talbot in his book The Holographic Universe. My initial question looks at it from a slightly different angle, but overlaps these discussions. Googling the above will take you to detailed treatment of some of the issues involved - but not the way I put the question exactly, as you will see if you get into it.

Best
not2too

[mkirkpatrick]

Prehaps consciousness is the matrix from which all spring from,for without mind there is no Holo-or movement!



regards michael.

[not2too]

Prehaps consciousness is the matrix from which all spring from,for without mind there is no Holo-or movement!



regards michael.

True Michael...by invoking the image of a consciousness holomovement I am simply suggesting a model...a device to aid thinking and talking about how the reality we seemingly "walk around in" is "put together". And yes, consciousness is the matrix from which we all spring as well as the matrix that The Matrix Trilogy portrays. But...as always...the map is not the territory.

[mkirkpatrick]

True Michael...by invoking the image of a consciousness holomovement I am simply suggesting a model...a device to aid thinking and talking about how the reality we seemingly "walk around in" is "put together". And yes, consciousness is the matrix from which we all spring as well as the matrix that The Matrix Trilogy portrays. But...as always...the map is not the territory.

So then the territory is....




regards michael.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Starting with something 'small', then on to the entire universe in a future post…

Perhaps the brain is holographic in its experience and memory, as many have surmised from experiments on rats.

In the brain, past experience might serve as the reference beam. New incoming information is combined with the experiences (memories) of the past to create an interference pattern. Almost immediately, the new information becomes part of the reference beam and learning has occurred. As each new piece of information arrives at the brain, a new interference pattern is created and again becomes part of the reference background. This constantly shifting interference pattern provides the mind with a continually changing model of reality; however, what is the laser-like beam? Consciousness?