Consciousness Explained

[melanie]

The aims of the article can be achieved by those who use the higher centers of the brain, which some may call “mind” and “consciousness” and more, but the point is that they are available to us. The article is not really saying that consciousness produces the brain.

Thanks for the feed back...

We say the same things just differently.

You say there is an 'us' in your posts....and i say there isn't an 'us' in my posts.

i say it my way ... and you say it your way.

That's how it goes......and pop goes the weasel ...

No big deal.

Thankyou.

My own similar "idealistic" veiws on aiding society and making for a better world:

The world is arising already perfect just '' as it is '' .. right now.

Doesn't need idealistically aiding to make it better.

That is something that cannot be changed.

Change comes from pure acceptance of what is not what isn't.

I learned to see THAT from reading and studying the inner self of nonduality.
Not from reading and studying the usual force-fed mainstream educational text book rubbish.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Well, then, if there is no free will to do anything, might there at least be learning so that one has a wider range of responses and directions?

[melanie]

The world is arising already perfect just '' as it is '' .. right now.

Doesn't need idealistically aiding to make it better.

That is something that cannot be changed.

Change comes from pure acceptance of what is not what isn't.

I learned to see THAT from reading and studying the inner self of nonduality.
Not from reading and studying the usual force-fed mainstream educational text book rubbish.

What I mean is, .. we are now as a humanity learning to separate the wheat fron the chaff.

To get good fruit we must plant good seeds.

The fruit that is harvested in the future are the seeds that are sown in the primary fertile soil ..not after.
This period of the child's brain development becomes the child's blueprint for life.

Just as a child is multi lingual at birth.. so too the child learns to see through the chaff in the world when it is taught non-separateness.

Also the child must be taught that it is perfectly ok to feel awful or sad.
And that there is nothing wrong with those feelings.

All Feelings are to be embraced and accepted.

A child does not see a black doll and a white doll differently.
They embrace them as one.

I have 3 A level grade qualification for practitioner in '' pre-school early years education ''

A worthwhile genuine ear of wheat.

The younger generation become the masters of the future.
When they are taught with sound consistent natural nurturing.

[Andrew]

Sometimes things are better explained by contrast.We need to establish the difference between CONSCIENCE and IDEOLOGY.Ideology would be a set of values which determines the functioning of a society as a system. It's a historical product and an evolving refraction of the world in collective MENTALITY. The process of learning is traumatical consisting of action upon the world and learning from its feedback.While conscience is a NATURAL PHENOMENON developed by human species alone (or at least human species arrogantly thinks so). It is simply capacity for symbolical communication. When a person passes out, this is exactly what's happening: he or she loses the capacity for symbolical communication. Conscience's got at least two properties: MEMORY which is the storage of information and ASSOCIATION which is the process of thinking.

[melanie]

While conscience is a NATURAL PHENOMENON developed by human species alone (or at least human species arrogantly thinks so).

It is simply capacity for symbolical communication.
When a person passes out, this is exactly what's happening: he or she loses the capacity for symbolical communication.

Conscience's got at least two properties: MEMORY which is the storage of information and ASSOCIATION which is the process of thinking.

Good post Andrew.


Sensations are formed into patterns...

these patterns appear to be ...
- the 'real creature'... (cat)
- a 'picture of the real creature'... (cat)
- a 'drawing of the real creature'... (cat)
- a 'word symbolising the real creature'... (cat)

the 'form' of each image is different
but the basic 'meaning' is the same
namely the 'real creature' (cat)
this 'real creature' is qualified by other 'concepts' 'picture' 'drawing' 'word'

this association of 'meaning' with the sensations arising, occurs instantly, without thought.

the instant the image appears it is re-cognised as 'the creature'.. or a 'picture of the creature'
or a 'drawing of the creature' or a 'word naming the creature'
each image is 'informed' by the same basic concept.

in 'another apparent moment' it may appear that there are 'thoughts' commenting on or analysing the experience
these 'thoughts' arise as 'subtle sounds'

as 'meaning' is associated with these 'subtle sounds'
so it appears "I am thinking"
"I am hearing my own thoughts"

again, this meaning arises instantly (without thought)as the subtle sounds arise.

The brain does not produce consciousness, the brain is only an object in consciousness, the brain is only an object / concept,
created and imaged by the brain,
experiencing itself AS and THROUGH Consciousness.
An object or concept, can't produce anything, it is already the produced via the consciousness.

[Mohan.C]

There's no consciousness or awareness or whatever, there's only life(and death)

[melanie]

There's no consciousness or awareness or whatever, there's only life(and death)

Pure awareness being the absolute void?

birth and death .. = eternal life

Existence is a repetitive cycle
THE ETERNAL CYCLE

There’s no place outside of existence for it’s origin or demise.

What we call our objective universe and all the forms therein

must somehow be a part of the consistent ‘always present’ behavior of existence.

Even though we are limited by words,
we can create a basic model of an always present setting which vibrates in and out of complexity within itself
which answers all the paradoxes and explains why duality is an illusion of sorts.

Existence is a vibrational pulse or cycle

What we call physical reality is merely a complex series of slow moving vibrational patterns
which temporarily appear in existence.


OR stated another way…
Our collective form, the unified vibrational field, expands and contracts continuously while our consciousness evolves intelligence to know itself.

[austintorn@aol.com]

What we call physical reality is merely a complex series of slow moving vibrational patterns
which temporarily appear in existence.

This is true. Some of the patterns have a long persistence of existence in our terms, say, 10**50 years, but this is still a tiny parentheses in Eternity.

[melanie]

This is true.

Some of the patterns have a long persistence of existence in our terms, say, 10**50 years,

This is false

[Mikal]

Sometimes things are better explained by contrast.We need to establish the difference between CONSCIENCE and IDEOLOGY.Ideology would be a set of values which determines the functioning of a society as a system. It's a historical product and an evolving refraction of the world in collective MENTALITY. The process of learning is traumatical consisting of action upon the world and learning from its feedback.While conscience is a NATURAL PHENOMENON developed by human species alone (or at least human species arrogantly thinks so). It is simply capacity for symbolical communication. When a person passes out, this is exactly what's happening: he or she loses the capacity for symbolical communication. Conscience's got at least two properties: MEMORY which is the storage of information and ASSOCIATION which is the process of thinking.

Hi Andrew...I don't believe we have ever spoken so its either nice to speak with you or welcome to the TOE...

Amazing how learning by contrast is like rapid speed learning...

Ideology has a strong connect to the functioning of a society as a whole....has a connect to mass, collectivized consciousness or mass societal mind-set...as a mass we are very vulnerable to ideology...however ideology weakens individual ability to have strong personal decisional capacities..as far as I can see or know the collectivized mass creates mind/thought... (roof brain chatter) whereas consciousness is individual, personal and just is and just flows...(not thought.)
Consciousness understands itself (self-awareness/memory) and associates with understanding symbol, color and metaphor and expressions of communication like body language, facial expression, depth in eyes...approach, intimidation, posture, demeanor...dignity of character and the meaning behind spoken words....

Ideology is an historical product...an epocal thing..but we are evolving away from it now....


Mikal