Consciousness, Transcendence & Integration

[leskey]

Thanks for the info Lesk….

It seems to me 4 structures do represent processes underlying functionality. We know it recurs again and again in nature. Its at the atomic level with carbon, we have the 4 basic elements necessary for life, the 4 nitrogenous bases of the DNA molecule, thee 4 limbedness of creatures in the animal kingdom, our topography of the human form is 4—front, back, left, right, the 4 cardinal points of direction, 4 geometrical qualities of point, line, surface and solid, Aristotle’s 4 principles of climate and Galen’s 4 humors, 4 seasons, 4 moon phases and we ourselves are sensory, mental, feeling and intuitive.
Then in Religion we have God as 4 names—Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh and Jesus represented as 4 letters INRI also Jung created the Synchronicity Quaternity.

In the ancient days there was the Aion/Goddess Barbelo referred to as the first virginal invisible spirit and the first emanation of the Unknown Father—the Goddess name means “in four is God.”

If you take the 1-2-3-4 level process and make it 1+2+3+4 it equals 10 which is the Tetractys and is the same sequence as the Sefirotic Tree or the Kabbahah or the Tree of Life. Ten raises all things to unity. The sequence is also comparable to DNA as molecule, double helix structure, the triplets consisting of three of the available 4 bases and the 4 bases, adenine, cytosine, guanine and thymine.

I think 4 is structuring to functionality and 10 is a cyclical process or return to unity.


Regards Mikal

Thank you for a lot of information collected across a broad-spectrum, Mikal.

There's also another four: THE NEW DISCOVERY AND 'MYTHOLOGY' MAY OR MAY NOT BE RELATED...

[Mikal]

Thanks Lesk...an interesting post! I think there is more to the Four Pillars of Heaven than we realize.

An interesting connection with the Gilgamesh Legend is shown in this statement from the book Urial's Machine....

"In the epic, Ziusudra tells Gilgamesh that he must dive under the water (the emotions) to recover a special rose which holds the secret of eternal life". This we found interesting because the five-petalled rose is a common symbol of the planet Venus (means to decipher) and of resurrection and rebirth (of the psyche.)

So now we are into 5 the Pentagon or the Pentagram (5 connected triangles) and 5 means "the bringing to order of that which 4 structures." The Pentagram as a star is the symbol for consciousness. It means adding the Quintessence which is called the "purified spirit." It also means completion at the 4 dimensional physical/biological level and because it is about energy 5 represents metaphysical change at the biological level. I suspect this has something to do with DNA also.

I have an old file somewhere on the 4 Pillars of Heaven but I will have to locate it....smiles...its just old research thats way behind me right now....


Regards Mikal

[Mikal]

THE FOUR PILLARS OF HEAVEN

The first Gods were female Gaia and male Ouranos—Gaia enfolded by Ouranos (matter enfolded by mind)
Kosmos means “the totality of the subjective and objective” universe.

The Titan god Poseidon (spark of Kosmic Intelligence—desire and will) fell in love with Cleito (semi-divine spark of intelligence that has fallen into the lower world) and they begat 5 pairs of male children (the driving influences within the dual centrifugally outgoing and centripetally inward drawing aspects of the five universal elements: aether, fire, air, water and earth.) Esoterically the 5 pairs also represent the ten planets and spiritually the 5 pairs represent the Chakras or energy centers.

Atlas which is a synonym for the principle of light is the Titan god who holds up the pillars of heaven and earth. Heaven is the higher triads of consciousness and earth is the lower triads of consciousness. Atlas holds up the fourth state which is called the evolutionary bridge, between the higher and lower triads of consciousness—spirit and matter respectively.

Heaven—the higher triad of consciousness is diagrammatically represented in the Pythagoras sacred Tetraktys—triangles between points and on into infinity. This is above.

In the fourth state or level in the diagram, the God Kronus sleeps—representing time and the function of Introspection—Kronus is Saturn the God who looks both ways and is also the element of “sound.”

The legend of the 4 Pillars of Heaven and Earth are about how “the Kosmic mental and physical states are held apart” and why we are identified as being in 4 states: we are physical form, we are mental so we think, we are emotional so we feel and we are (fire) spiritual or energy.

Introspection is the function that collapses the pillars, it is described in the Bible as an earthquake (mind/consciousness affects) and a flood (emotional crisis). Basically it is the allegory of the objective collapsing, then the subjective collapsing and the giant leap of faith the mind must take to escape the void and cause the cessation of ego consciousness.

Sorry it took me so long Lesk….have been busy here….smiles….


Regards Mikal

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Very emotional gods.

[Graybeard]

Very emotional gods.

The Gods must be crazy ... or throwin' away too many coke bottles ??


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cool bananas ... greg

[SteveA]

Hi, Mikal

I had some interesting events this weekend push me around a bit , but it ended up with things being better than ever and it gave me a few more ideas that seemed like they could be up your alley.

Many physical systems are highly chaotic and unpredictable, but this can be seen as either a source of energy/motion/creativity or a source of conflict/decay/friction - it all depends upon which way you're trying to "flow" relative to these events.

Intelligence can give a bit further insight into the direction things are heading before they actually head that way in other aspects of experience. We "see ahead" a little.

I had some ideas about how to possibly create some excellent dynamical changing music using some of these ideas (I haven't tried it much yet, but I think there are some pretty incredible effects and classes of sounds that would be very unique, yet with ways that these could all tie in to together into a fluid composition ... I was floating somewhere between cloud 7 and 7 1/2 thinking of some of the possibilities as well as recognizing that these same principles can be applied to many things).

But it appears to take a bit of clever balancing to get it to work and keep but the chaotic/creative dynamics going as well as have the sound stay coherent and not break out into pure noise, and when this dynamic balance is seen in nature or in art etc., the results are generally quite beautiful, though simultaneously subtle and complex.

I was seeing a lot of analogies in other areas of life and I think I found a word to match this quality - "grace". There's strength and intelligence - intelligence alone does nothing and brute force is basically an obstruction whereas when you combine these with a bit of creative direction, there's little conflict and a lot of beauty - you don't need to fight against something that's already heading in the same direction.

I think that's the "magic recipe" I've been looking for ... and I've already been thinking of some ideas to work on and experiment with ideas ... I definitely want to see if I can translate this into some music - there's got to be some excellent music in that mix

Enjoy,
Steve

... what the heck. I'll post a few random images too (though I think in each of these, there's that delicately balanced chaos):

[Mikal]

Hi Steven…thanks for sharing your thoughts here! I do feel you grasp an insight into my post.

The gods in ancient times were esoteric metaphors—representing the cyclic appearance and function of all Creations various natural powers and forces—the underlying nature of creation—Nature’s inherent and inviolable laws which function under intelligent and hierarchal directed rules and universal truths.

These metaphorical beings as gods preceded the Egyptian and Greek period by over 1000 years, and did not take on a literal, even personal connotation in the mind until the Greek priesthood.

I like your phrase “delicately balanced chaos.” The Heliopolis name ‘chaos’ means ‘all and nothing’ and here is a good quote that stresses the metaphysical nature of the creative process….

“The spermatic process with the tail of the spermatozoon consists of a head with nine threads. It is a carrier of a centriole composed of nine (or multiples of nine) tubes and these tubes direct the whole creative process of the division of the living cell, a division which is in fact a multiplication. It is the action of the sperm that causes the female ovum to contract immediately after penetration and to form an englobing membrane, thereby prohibiting the access of any other sperm. The centrosome then divides and the centrioles are carried to the two poles of the ovum. There is contact between the two pronuclei, male and female: an impalpable instant, immediately followed by the division of cell into two new cells, which will also in turn divide. (Lamy, 1981)

This quote is an association to the ‘chaos’ that births the creative process of consciousness out of the unconscious—as you say it is a delicately balanced chaos and an intelligently directed process.

Thanks for the fascinating images….

Regards Mikal

[Graybeard]

The Mayans prophesied that from 1999 we had 13 years to realize the changes in our conscious attitude to stray from the path of self-destruction and instead move onto a path that opens our consciousness to integrate us with all that exists

Their first prophecy talks about 'The Time of No-Time', a period of 20 years, which they call a Katún; The last 20 years of the Sun's cycle of 5,125 years; This cycle is from 1992 - 2012. The Mayan prophecy tells us that in 1999 our solar system began to leave the end of the fifth cycle, which started in 3113 B.C., and that we find ourselves in the morning of our galactic day, exiting darkness and on the verge of being in plain day of our central galaxy in 2012. They say that at the beginning and end of these cycles, which is to say, every 5,125 years, the central sun or light of the galaxy emits a ray of light so intense and so brilliant that it illuminates the entire universe.

As individuals we will have to make decisions that will affect us all. If we continue on this negative path of hate, an eye for an eye, destruction of nature, fear and egoism, we will enter straight into the time of destruction and chaos, and we will disappear as the dominant race of this planet. If we become conscious and realize that we all form part of a great organism, and that we should respect one another and be grateful to our planet, then we will move directly into positive growth, our Golden Age. Our planet, the Sun and the Galaxy are awaiting our decision. It is up to us what will happen in this time of change. Whether we go through a time of suffering and destruction or we find ourselves united in one positive consciousness moving closer to our next stage

Mayan tea is nice ??

cool bananas ... greg

[SteveA]

Hi Steven…thanks for sharing your thoughts here! I do feel you grasp an insight into my post.

The gods in ancient times were esoteric metaphors—representing the cyclic appearance and function of all Creations various natural powers and forces—the underlying nature of creation—Nature’s inherent and inviolable laws which function under intelligent and hierarchal directed rules and universal truths.

I agree a lot with the perspective you show here - there's a truth in most everything but the context in which a statement is made is very important, though thought processes and logical processes are very fractal and analogical and in I think many of the aspects of day to day life people experience are mirrored in other ways on different scales and in different manners.

Whether or not this is fundamentally true of a reality beyond knowing is something that, basically by definition, would appear little could be said about.

If we assume knowledge is acquired by learning (though we could also see it as something inherited by a past) and learning is a process of accumulation of relationships layered upon previous structures, then our view when extrapolating upon these should possess similar properties and, as appears to generally be the case, when any specific thing tries to look at everything else, it sees properties it possesses.

This is why I think we tend to place creative aspects that could be beyond description or comprehension into humanized forms - what other forms could we describe? Though similarly, there could exist beings similar to those descriptions, but there can also exist other things as well ... whether or not the future is cast in stone, it appears best to determine how things should be and then act relative to that environment. There are many possibilities all superimposed into the same view - by learning to interact according to some subset of those possibilities, those possibilities become more coherent relative to your actions and attentions and hence gain substanciality, but there's no need to head in any specific direction someone else might suggest. Piece it together the way things work best for yourself / oneself.

I do enjoy seeing how many "old-school" views had a lot of wisdom in them though - it's interesting how there are practically mathematical analogies to common sense stuff and it's nice to not simply feel that things are better in some manner, but to see more clearly why and where those things head etc., yet there remains distant unknowns ... but the direction is clear and that still puts a smile on my face to see it To me it's just lots of possibilities, growth, beauty and a ton of time to explore it all ... and that's good enough for me. There wouldn't be much purpose in asking more questions than that.

These metaphorical beings as gods preceded the Egyptian and Greek period by over 1000 years, and did not take on a literal, even personal connotation in the mind until the Greek priesthood.

I like your phrase “delicately balanced chaos.” The Heliopolis name ‘chaos’ means ‘all and nothing’ and here is a good quote that stresses the metaphysical nature of the creative process….

“The spermatic process with the tail of the spermatozoon consists of a head with nine threads. It is a carrier of a centriole composed of nine (or multiples of nine) tubes and these tubes direct the whole creative process of the division of the living cell, a division which is in fact a multiplication. It is the action of the sperm that causes the female ovum to contract immediately after penetration and to form an englobing membrane, thereby prohibiting the access of any other sperm. The centrosome then divides and the centrioles are carried to the two poles of the ovum. There is contact between the two pronuclei, male and female: an impalpable instant, immediately followed by the division of cell into two new cells, which will also in turn divide. (Lamy, 1981)

I've had some thoughts along similar lines and it's interesting that multiplication was mentioned in this. If we look at the chromosomes, they're all X chromosomes, except for the single Y chromosome, which isn't symmetric relative to the rest.

If there existed a truly creative source, it should have no specific physical form as any physical property we tried to localize it by would be subject to and dependent upon it instead of denoting it. The closest thing in space that we might have a physical analogy of such a source would be a singularity.

Normally, a singularity is considered in terms of a black hole or material singularity, but a singularity of space itself would likely just be a point without specific form, except a position (so I'm referring to such a source restricted in properties to a specific spacial location).

In order to break that symmetry, something asymmetric is needed to observe it - you need a ruler compatible with that space.

Well this appears a lot like reproduction. We have a strand of DNA or sperm which is highly asymmetric and an egg which is very symmetrical (spherical objects usually possess a high number of dimensions being chaotically compressed into a lower dimensional space) and there's an excellent mathematical analogy to this as well. If we consider such a strand similar to a number line, then we have addition and subtract - we can shift things around in this space very easily and intuitively. The same is true for multiplication, for example, we can double or halve things all day long and it never leaves a power of 2. I think that the ovaries have a treelike/fractal structure as well and so there are quite a few analogies with mathematics as well.

Notice also that in thought, when we think of "things", a thing is generally a set or collection of properties/quantities. So if we see something like a forest, it is a collection of things, or recursively, a collection of a collection of things etc. This is very much like multiplication and generates fractal forms.

When you combine the linear/additive/time dimension with a exponential/multiplicative process/dimension for space, then suddenly we have "chaos" and prime numbers and in general a lot of "energy"/entropy/information. For example, 17 cannot be described as composed of 2 identical things because we can't divide 17 in half, nor by any other number, hence 17 is a fundamental "thing" as are other prime structures. These are just two types of orthogonal forms, but there are many other such dimensions to spaces that can exist and the mind appears to work with many different types of growth. A circle appears simple, but is also another type of very chaotic structure relative to other types of growth and so are phi/golden mean structures etc. etc. etc.

In many ways, I think there's not specifically man/woman/matter/space etc., but instead a single contrast of awareness witnessing a creation and its reflected in many contexts and aspects of experience.

This quote is an association to the ‘chaos’ that births the creative process of consciousness out of the unconscious—as you say it is a delicately balanced chaos and an intelligently directed process.

I was hoping to find some detail I could at least pick over in a bit more depth, but your description here could be spot on (of course it matches much of my statements as well, so obviously I'd have a hard time finding much to disagree with ... I think there's actually an end to that "pathway" of exploration - once you hit something completely creative, that appears to be the end of the road, but in a reciprocal sense, that's also just a beginning ).

Thanks for the fascinating images….

Regards Mikal

My pleasure It's nice to step back from the details and get a better look at what it's all about at times.

Thanks for the company,
Steve

[Mikal]

Mayan tea is nice ??

cool bananas ... greg

And your point Sugarbear?????????

I have already experienced the integrative moment with all and I have also been told that the great light that will be emitted is a powerful energy and that I am one of the ones who has to contain it and stabilize it so all the rest of you do not die....I'm not too worried, I have already been through hell....

Regards Mikal