Consciousness, Transcendence & Integration

[SteveA]

Apart from the NDE tunnel experence, I have had several experiences of this "nested catenary curves-outer arc comprises flickering zig-zags" phenomena. It comes unbidden, usually mid-morning. As the experience is distracting...it's necessary to step out of time, stop, withdraw and 'meditate'(?) it away until it passes, before resuming normal existence. The longest experience was 10-15 minutes. It was as distressing as being shouted at...no drugs or alcohol were involved - LOL!

This reminds me of something I've seen quite a few times. I've almost been blind for some periods of time. I notice it happens if there's a highly contrasted bright light I see and it appears to trigger something in the eyes that I believe is a reorganizing of the visual nerves. It slowly spreads out and though it appears just to be a general "sparkling" in the blind spot area that spreads and grows outward, I've actually noticed very fine zig zags that appear to even have something close to a detailed binary sequence almost like a binary count and these appear to "reflect" off the edge of the blind spot.

It may be that this type of shape is some low level manner of visual processing? I assumed it was the nervous system attempting to adjust for seeing a strong contrast and possibly assuming there was a problem in vision and sort of reorganizing.

Something else I noticed is that it occurs in both eyes, and so it's a process coordinated non-local to the optical nerves and would likely be part of the area in which 3-D vision from both eyes is integrated.

[SteveA]

Zechariah 2:10 ...for I have scattered you like the four directions of the heavens (the higher ether)

This is translations from the Nazarene Codicil.

The number ten denotes a complete set, because we have ten fingers. Five is therefore representative of half of a set. Five represents Corporeality of the human being.

The number five represents the perfection of the natural order (the number four), with the addition of one.

Here's an interesting correlation here too with physical/corporeality. 5!=120 I've assumed that we make observations from the equivalent of a structure like an atom (though in many more than 3 or 4 "dimensions")

There are 118 stable elements:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element

If we considered space to be the most pervasive "stable element" and we made observations from the equivalent of a stable element communicating via. atomic bonds (notice there are 5 senses and hence 5 unique physically detected "dimensions"), that that would make 118(elements)+1(space)+1(self, which could be the origin or "no sense" position - the transition to other spaces of perception)=120=1*2*3*4*5= 5 physical senses view all these

And we could describe these stable objects as all the pathways between a pentagon that hit all 5 points (there are a lot of golden mean/phi relationships involved in this at it appears to make a lot of the properties of DNA physically as well).

Four is dispersal in 4 directions—five is the redemption of the past into the future. It is pertinent to what I have been explaining for example…

Yes, relative to a stable particle in 5 dimensions, viewing these in a 4 dimensional space would have to add time or change/motion to these otherwise stable pathways. (This would be relative to physical senses though and maybe not true of all "spaces")

Quote by Aeolus Kephas:

“My ego-mind wrestled with this over-whelming new consciousness. I was dimly aware of being ‘on trial,’ of being processed—of passing through some ordeal in which I wrestled with my ‘conscience’ while unknown Forces and Intelligences negotiated my passage. The thoughts and deeds of my life were being weighed, one by one, while I was forced to look upon them. All the baggage of my past, my personal self was being mercilessly scrutinized by unknown intelligences. I felt a terrible burden holding me back, keeping me trapped in despair. By the ‘intercession’ of these ‘beings’ I was being compelled to cast it all away. The ‘trial’ was less a matter of my being judged, however much less punished, than of being slowly and painfully purged—unburdened—of personal history.”—Homo Serpiens

That does appear to be something that likely most everyone goes through in life and maybe on a regular basis? Something I've been wondering about is how many of these problems are self created. It would ... ummm ... I think "suck" is a good word, to find out that learning is an inexcusable crime .

Thank you for your other comments as well. There are definitely some interesting ideas to contemplate in them.

Something interesting as well is that 12 is the first number divisible by all of 1,2,3 and 4. If we tried to unite the first 4 dimensions together in a single space it would appear to require 12 unique symbols to do so, but every object in these first 4 dimensions would be static and unmoving in that space.

If you add the 13th dimension, you could view these as moving and changing (at least through a period of 13 states ... you'd need more "dimensions" to extend this though. The dimensions I'm referring to aren't expansive dimensions like space is viewed - I think the depth apparent in space arises from much more complex forms of interaction and it likely has to unbounded to support time).

[SteveA]

Another interesting correlation here is with Platonic Solids (of which there are 5):



I think the tetrahedron is unique in that it's the building block of 4 dimensional objects (or 3 dimensions + time). We can construct any form in 3-D space, with discrete vertices from tetrahedron (just as we can see triangles as the smallest unit of surface area or lines as the smallest unit of distance).

There is also the equivalent of a unique "spectrum" to each of these solids, if we were moving around the perimeter from vertex to vertex. At each vertex there are "decisions"/edges that lead to some number of neighboring vertices (for example, with the tetrahedron there are always 3 adjacent vertices of a single (quantum) unit distance) and for the icosohedron there are always 5 "choices".

In order to make a decision of where to move, you need information present as 1 of 3, 4 or 5 possible choices and these are all relatively prime to each other. For example, knowing something to be in 1 of 3 states doesn't let you make a decision, based upon that information, to select a 4th path or similarly, if we have information that is uniformly presented as 1 of 5 possible states, if we had 1 of 3 choices to make, we have a bias in the decisions and would have to compress 2 of these 5 states into one of more of the 3 choices.

This can be seen similar to routing of information from one source to an action in the other and the manner in which these decisions are made determines the form in which that source is seen. This can also be analogized very closely to spectral lines of atoms. If an orbital between two atoms can be synchronized and coherently communicate information between them, then they appear "close" in space, because they are informationally very similar and one transfers information to the other, whereas two objects separate in space appear to be independent because the correlations between them are not observed.

Anyway, that's just some more speculation ... though I think it's probably not far off (now wouldn't that be funny, to find that the old Earth, Air, Fire and Water views weren't far off? )

[Graybeard]

I have had several experiences of this "nested catenary curves-outer arc comprises flickering zig-zags" phenomena. It comes unbidden, usually mid-morning.

rotflmao .......................

between you and Steve with his coloured blocks .... my sides are gunna split .... stop, stop


cool bananas ... greg

[labelwench]

I am following this thread, and while I do not often add to the content, it was taught to me that there is much to learn by listening and observing.

There are many experiences that I would not even attempt to explain to most people, for without a frame of reference, they would not comprehend.

When others are willing to share their experiences, be they similar or dissimilar to mine, I recognize and appreciate their thoughts and time.

Thank you Mikal, Steve and Leskey, for your words and ideas greatly enhance the directions that my mind may travel.....

[austintorn@aol.com]

Hi, Leskey, old buddy (off and on), don't forget that you and your consciousness have to transcend over to Australia and integrate over there in a few days with those like Greg (look for a guy rolling around on the floor). Tell him I said "Hi".

DId anyone notice that 1+1=2 and that '2' is a prime number? This means that, um… I'm stuck.

[Mikal]

Steve....I'll get to your post tomorrow hopefully. I am in the middle of a family crisis. My young neice just came out of open heart surgery to correct an aneuryism on her aorta. She just came out of surgery and is now in ICU so waiting with my sisters for an update on her condition.

PS...Greg wait til Lesk sees your post....she might come up with one of her great posts and then you would be rotfcyeo!!!!..smiles

Austin....go back to school!!

LW...thanks for support!!!

Regards Mikal

[SteveA]

rotflmao .......................

between you and Steve with his coloured blocks .... my sides are gunna split .... stop, stop


cool bananas ... greg

As long as you're enjoying yourself, it's all good, Greg.

Have fun
Steve

[labelwench]

Steve....I'll get to your post tomorrow hopefully. I am in the middle of a family crisis. My young neice just came out of open heart surgery to correct an aneuryism on her aorta. She just came out of surgery and is now in ICU so waiting with my sisters for an update on her condition.

PS...Greg wait til Lesk sees your post....she might come up with one of her great posts and then you would be rotfcyeo!!!!..smiles

Austin....go back to school!!

LW...thanks for support!!!

Regards Mikal

Wishing your niece the best possible outcome. With the support of family such as you demonstrate yourself to be Mikal, there is boundless positive energy supporting her.

Kind regards,

LW

[SteveA]

Regarding your comments, Leskey. Was your experience anything like this?



I've had this happen at least a half dozen times over the years and it usually lasts for 15 minutes or so (though I've never had a headache with it). Both my parents have had diabetic problems and I'd assumed it could be related, but that's just a guess.

Anyway, here's a link I found with some other people who've had something similar:

http://www.migraine-aura.org/content.../index_en.html

Just as something interesting that I saw on that site as well:

Time Perception Disturbances
http://www.migraine-aura.org/content.../index_en.html