Consciousness, Transcendence & Integration

[melanie]

According to Advaita Vedanta it accepts evolution and admits the laws of variation and natural selection,
but goes a step beyond modern science by explaining the cause of that "tendency to vary."
It says, "there is nothing in the end which was not also in the beginning."

It is a law which governs the process of evolution as well as the law of causation.
If we admit this grand truth of nature, then it will not be difficult to explain by the theory of Evolution the gradual manifestation of the higher nature of man.
The tendency of scientific monism is towards that end.

Some of the modern scientists who hold the monistic position have found out the same truth which was
discovered long ago by the Vedantic philosophers in India.

J. Arthur Thomson, an eminent English scientist of
the present day, in his book on "The Study of Animal Life,"

says: "The world is one, not two-fold-
the spiritual influx is the primal reality and there is nothing in the end which was not also in the beginning."

But the evolutionists do not accept this truth.
Let us understand it clearly.
It means that that which existed potentially at the time of the beginning of evolution has gradually manifested in the various stages and grades of evolution.

If we admit that a unicellular germ of life or a bioplasm,
after passing through various stages of evolution,
has ultimately manifested in the form of a highly developed human being,
then we shall have to admit the potentiality of all the manifested powers in that germ or bioplasm,
because the law is

"that which exists in the end existed also in the beginning."

The animal nature, higher nature, mind, intellect, spirit, all
these exist potentially in the germ of life.
If we do not admit this law then the problem will arise:
How can non-existence become existent?
How can something come out of nothing?
How can that come into existence
which did not exist before?

Each germ of life, according to Vedanta, possesses infinite potentialities and infinite possibilities.
The powers that remain latent have the natural tendency to manifest perfectly and to become actual.

In their attempt they vary according to the surrounding environments, selecting suitable conditions or remaining latent as long as circumstances do not favor them.

Therefore variation, according to Vedanta, is caused by this attempt of the potential powers to become actual.

When life and mind began to evolve, the possibilities of action and reaction hitherto latent in the germ of life became real and all things became, in a sense, new.

Nobody can imagine the amount of latent power which a minute germ of life possesses until it expresses in gross form on the physical plane.
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[Mikal]

Thanks mikal as always for your very informative posts.
There is just no end to learning at this earth school.... i am a willing student..... have discovered that the only thing worth learning is the study of the ''SELF''
MAYBE WHY we come here in the first place, who knows?
Once we know, worked-out our-self, we can be at best a better service and help to all others.
Understanding is born into mind/world, and birth is painful.
The mind's obsessive need to understand, itself creates a shell which must painfully break.
This is the mind letting go to reveal the heart's knowledge.
Anyway, as for the age of humanity, i can't help thinking big ...
By that i mean ... what is there at the beginning is also there at the end ... we are the first and last knowledge.
Did the 'whole' of creation manifest it self into being all at once in a nano - second?
And has remained herenow nowhere forever.
Altho 'anything' can appear from any changing perspective,
Yet only unchanging Consciousness itself engages in the perceiving....
"nothing perceived can perceive".
Nothing found in Consciousness can have Consciousness - there are no multiples of Consciousness.
But sense perceptions - being more than one, and having apparent attributes, must be appearances.
"though this could never be known!" .. or should i say 'demonstrated'



Also leaving another link that might be of interest ..
Animal and Energy Bodies

Many religions and various philosophers,
including Wilhelm Reich , Peter D. Ouspensky,
Gurdieff , Rudolph Steiner , the Kabbala, etc.
state the human being is composed of an animalbody and an energy body.
The animal body is a result of our genes and ancestors.
The purpose of the energy body is to break the blocks and purify through the physical body.
The physical body is bound by all laws of physical nature and returns from where it began, the dust to dust of the Bible.

The energy body or ki, chi, prana, vital force, consciousness or soul (whatever you call it),
however, reincarnates in order to continue the evolution of a heaven on Earth.


http://www.drbigelsen.com/drbigelsen...imal_body.html

Almost all scholarly study has had difficulty with an implied reference to a relationship between Man and animal.

Many archaic sacred writings for example the Hermetica state clearly that Man is a being of Divine nature not comparable to any other living creature on the earth.

In the ancient philosophy of thought Nature creates within 7 kingdoms of which animal and human are separately two different systems of creation. Its made quite clear that there is not crossing in creation, each creation procreates its own and replicates itself. I think that should be quite clear to us.

The ancient religion of Animism where its partcipants took on the masks and costumes of animals and depicted this in the art of their culture was about man seeing in the animal its spirit of which man religiously attached to sympathetically in order to enact convertability of energy and force seen as the Gods...

Jung spoke about the animalistic symbols depicting the "self" in a mythic sense but strongly referenced that the dividing line between animal and man is instinctive of which an animal always will be contrary to man who has the reasoning capacity to rise above and control his instincts....

It was Wilhelm Reich who co-incidentally stated that man becomes filled with sickness from culture....


Thanks for the link Mel......


Mikal

[Mikal]

According to Advaita Vedanta it accepts evolution and admits the laws of variation and natural selection,
but goes a step beyond modern science by explaining the cause of that "tendency to vary."
It says, "there is nothing in the end which was not also in the beginning."

It is a law which governs the process of evolution as well as the law of causation.
If we admit this grand truth of nature, then it will not be difficult to explain by the theory of Evolution the gradual manifestation of the higher nature of man.
The tendency of scientific monism is towards that end.

Some of the modern scientists who hold the monistic position have found out the same truth which was
discovered long ago by the Vedantic philosophers in India.

J. Arthur Thomson, an eminent English scientist of
the present day, in his book on "The Study of Animal Life,"

says: "The world is one, not two-fold-
the spiritual influx is the primal reality and there is nothing in the end which was not also in the beginning."

But the evolutionists do not accept this truth.
Let us understand it clearly.
It means that that which existed potentially at the time of the beginning of evolution has gradually manifested in the various stages and grades of evolution.

If we admit that a unicellular germ of life or a bioplasm,
after passing through various stages of evolution,
has ultimately manifested in the form of a highly developed human being,
then we shall have to admit the potentiality of all the manifested powers in that germ or bioplasm,
because the law is

"that which exists in the end existed also in the beginning."

The animal nature, higher nature, mind, intellect, spirit, all
these exist potentially in the germ of life.
If we do not admit this law then the problem will arise:
How can non-existence become existent?
How can something come out of nothing?
How can that come into existence
which did not exist before?

Each germ of life, according to Vedanta, possesses infinite potentialities and infinite possibilities.
The powers that remain latent have the natural tendency to manifest perfectly and to become actual.

In their attempt they vary according to the surrounding environments, selecting suitable conditions or remaining latent as long as circumstances do not favor them.

Therefore variation, according to Vedanta, is caused by this attempt of the potential powers to become actual.

When life and mind began to evolve, the possibilities of action and reaction hitherto latent in the germ of life became real and all things became, in a sense, new.

Nobody can imagine the amount of latent power which a minute germ of life possesses until it expresses in gross form on the physical plane.
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It was within the ancient philosophical thought that the universe and all forms within it must be systematically generated and driven by the principle of mind; in fact by a hierarchally organized spectrum of Universal Mind. In this continuum it was seen to be self-evident that a majority of intelligent and semi-intelligent beings were able to exist and generate influence, even without the need for an objectively visible physical form (a hierarchy of Archangels and Angels.) which are seen to be beyond the limited range of lower perception but not beyond the expanded perception of the highest expression and level of the Ego/soul.

Evolution and consciousness was philosophized to operate through the convertibility of energy and force. This, the ancients called Shamanic Magic.

It was the ancient view that humans were in their inner nature, psycho-spiritual or even semi-divine beings rather than merely evolved pithecoids.

The ancients recognized correlations between spirit/energy and matter which revealed an intelligently rational structure and dynamic behind the processes of creation and evolution.

Creation was seen as not a chaotic state but as something operating under intelligent and hierarchically directed rule, according to certain inherent and inviolable laws.
Evolution was seen as a necessary subjective expansion (psycho-spiritual) which would involve the development of intelligence through a process of gradual individualization of consciousness from the mass.


Mel if we keep correlating our information we just may be able to pick our way through a minefield that holds all our confusion....


Mikal

[Mikal]

Well your charm and alluring sparkle is always a consistent thing I can depend on showing up....lol....

Actually you are lost because the daily laughter thread is up at the top of the forum list, just happens to be that I just posted a pretty good joke there...

Regardless of all...thanks for showing up and watch those chains that shackle you to your beliefs...they can be just like the tectonic plates in the earth and you can have an earthquake....


Mikal

Mikal

[melanie]

Is this the daily laughter thread .... or am I lost ?

cool bananas ... greg

Greg if ever you are lost, you can always let mummy help

Twisted bananas ..

[melanie]

Breaking News.

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[Mikal]

Ancient Philosophical thought on the Genesis of Intelligence

“The Kosmos also has sense and thought; but its sense and thought are of a kind peculiar to itself, not like the sense and thought of man, nor varying like his, but mightier and less diversified. The sense and thought of the Kosmos are occupied solely in making all things and dissolving them again into itself. There is nothing in which the Kosmos does not generate Life and it is both the place in which Life is contained and the maker of Life. For the Kosmic Life breath, working without intermission, conveys into bodies a succession of qualities and therewith makes the universe one mass of Life.

The Kosmos also is ever-existent; but it exists in process of ever becoming. It is ever becoming in that the qualities and magnitudes of things are ever coming into being, thus the universe is composed of a part that is material and a part that is incorporeal and inas- much as its body is made with soul in it, the universe is a living creature.

But life is the union of body and soul. Death then is not the destruction of the things which have been brought together, but the dissolution of their union. The Kosmos assumes all forms, it does not contain the forms as things placed in it, but the Kosmos itself changes.

The Hermetica

The Kosmos means the totality of the subjective and objective universe.



Mikal

[Mikal]

Ancient Philosophical Thought on Spirit and Energy

There is no such thing as dead matter in the universe.

The whole of phenomenal existence involved a fundamental unity of Being, founded on the principle that there is but One Life in the omniverse. Hence everything, down to the smallest conceivable particle of matter interactively shared in its Life-force and faculty.

Science calls the active aspect of this, energy and regards it as inanimate, purely quantitative, and therefore measurable. The ancients called this active aspect “spirit” and regarded it as both living and qualitative, in other words diverse in functional type and evolutionary capacity.
From this viewpoint there is as much a spectrum of spirit-being as there is a scientifically provable electromagnetic spectrum behind the phenomena of Matter. Bluntly put the two must be synonymous. (Gordon)

This provides the operating foundation of the principle of consciousness and also the distinction between “being” and “beings.” Thus a being would therefore be defined as an intelligently or semi-intelligently coordinated group of energies or (spirits) with a “common sense.” Leaving this out gives only a materialistic view of life and Nature in general. (Gordon)

One can follow logically from this viewpoint that as there is a spectrum of celestial forms like planets, comets, solar systems, nebulae and so on, all necessarily informed and conditioned by relative degrees of intelligence, so there must be a qualitative spectrum of accompanying and hierarchally organized spirit-matter and spirit-entities to match. (Gordon)


J. S. Gordon’s work on deciphering the ancient philosophical thought systems has become a crucial tool of understanding for me because as I unified this tripartite system of ego/soul (psycho-spiritual, subjective evolution) he speaks of from the ancients, I experienced the shuffling of my own consciousness to a higher state and consequently as my perception expanded I experienced these “non-physical higher beings” he states that the ancients professed existed. (They are beyond our lower limited sense system and only perceptible to our higher sense system which is the 3 parts of the ego; divine, spiritual and terrestrial unified.)
I assume this is why Gordon made the statement, “there is a systematic linkage of intercommunicating SENTIENCE between all the kingdoms of Nature, also all the elements even including the climatic functions of the earth’s nature.”


Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

In the ancient philosophy of thought Nature creates within 7 kingdoms of which animal and human are separately two different systems of creation. Its made quite clear that there is not crossing in creation, each creation procreates its own and replicates itself. I think that should be quite clear to us.

Clearly, they made their opinion quite clear.


Opinions are foggy, but facts are clear.

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE NATURAL & THE SUPERNATURAL

Pikaia gracilens is an extinct animal known from the Middle Cambrian fossil found near Mount Pika in the Burgess Shale of British Columbia. It was discovered by Charles Walcott and was first described by him in 1911. Based on the obvious and regular segmentation of the body, Walcott classified it as a Polychaete worm. It resembles a living chordate commonly known as the lancelet and perhaps swam much like an eel.
During his Re-visitation of the Burgess Shale fauna in 1979, paleontologist Simon Conway Morris placed P. gracilens in the chordates, making it perhaps the oldest known ancestor of modern vertebrates, because it seemed to have a very primitive, proto-notochord.
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Tiktaalik represents an intermediate form between fish and amphibians. Unlike many previous, more fishlike transitional fossils, Tiktaalik’s ‘fins’ have basic wrist bones and simple fingers, showing that they were weight bearing. Close examination of the joints show that although they probably were not used to walk, they were more than likely used to prop up the creature’s body, push up fashion.

The bones of the fore fins show large muscle facets, suggesting that the fin was both muscular and had the ability to flex like a wrist joint. These wrist-like features would have helped anchor the creature to the bottom in fast moving current.

The more robust ribcage of Tiktaalik would have helped support the animal’s body any time it ventured outside a fully aquatic habitat. Tiktaalik also lacked a characteristic that most fishes have — bony plates in the gill area that restrict lateral head movement. This makes Tiktaalik the earliest known fish to have a neck. This would give the creature more freedom in hunting prey either on land or in the shallows.

Also notable are the spiracles on the top of the head, which suggest the creature had primitive lungs as well as gills. This would have been useful in shallow water, where higher water temperature would lower oxygen content. This development may have led to the evolution of a more robust ribcage, a key evolutionary trait of land living creatures.

Tiktaalik is a transitional fossil; it is to tetrapods what Archaeopteryx is to birds. These are examples of missing links. (Most of the above is from Wikipedia)

The decency of Early Humankind derived from the care of the family and from the cooperation needed for the hunt for food. This preceded a belief in God. So, some of them retained an instinctive conscience, aided by nurture, that made them behave well, not that all the rules are the same now as they were then. Violence, too, was passed on, we surviving not is spite of it, but because of it. Some of it was protective of the village and some was, as now, just plain mean.

Nature’s laws are natural laws, however strange or vicious they may seem to us. They cannot be dictated; however; humankind saw Intent in nature, good or bad, and therefore invented good and evil spirits—which eventually grew, through the telling, into Gods and Devils.

The world/universe was not made perfectly and so Humankind devised extensions of the tales of the spirits to account for this. Soon, anything that could be thought could often gain a foothold of belief, thence becoming the ‘actual’ and the practiced.

However, we are here because Pikaia and Tiktaalik survived, not to mention their ancestors making it. Of course, long before this, stardust arrived, and of this dust we became, via time and death (the chooser), and so to dust we must return. ‘Twas Nature, Father Time, and Guiding Stars that threw us our Earthly lifeline, here in a galaxy among trillions, near a star among zillions, where billions live and die (thanks to all those who came before). We stand atop the peak of the valiant dead.

The Cosmos has come alive in us and such we borrow life from death for awhile, living on good fortune’s credit until the debit comes due.

We are of molecular events, for all is chemical, that being of mass and energy. One can see this in our cells, thought correlates, and in emotions directly. Ideas good and bad come and go as the brain perceives itself without assigning values until the global whole is realized by another, higher, part of the brain.

Humankind likes to think that it is special, but of this only comes the misery of pride and the many false conceptions but derived of our own social and family experience. Humility is called for. We are advanced bioelectrochemical “machines”, in other words, as organic as anything else in nature. Yet, beliefs continue to be shaped merely by local cultural and social forces that invent role models who really are not. So, In God We Fear.

There is no choice in ‘choosing’ an absolute truth, for it is but a philosophy with all the questions left out: a deception. Yet, many still try to interpret the will of a Person unknown—an absurd and impossible task for the imagination. As astronomy took the place of astrology and chemistry replaced alchemy, so does philosophy begin where religion ends.

We are infants yet, but the future is open and limitless—if we, with inquiring minds, can get past some enemies that are still mired in the mythic age and who wish to assert the limited mind—the root of all evil—their sins born not of evil spirits but of mental conditions born of the imagination’s realm become ‘real’ (to them).

The Role of Mankind now is to try to keep on going onward and upward toward a higher consciousness.

Supplemental: There is some news of the discovery of a transitional fossil of a bat that has flight but no echolocation, nor did it have its ancestor’s mere gliding capability like that of a flying squirrel, but a fluttering kind of flight much less than the full flight of bats today. Furthermore, it had longer back limbs and shorter forelimbs that today's bats.

Creationists do not like these transitional fossils since they disprove irreducible complexity, a new code word for Intelligent Design by its ever more desperate proponents. The fossil is 50-some million years old and has extreme clarity.
There was a great radiance of bats in these ancient epicene nights of ample food supply. 50 million years may seem to be a long time ago to the Creationists who believe the earth to be only 4000 years old, but there were many more periods even older than the epicene (bats having unflying forebearers there).

The bat is the only mammal to have achieved flight and they are not at all blind as commonly thought. It is more like that it is hard to see a night and so they eventually evolved echolocation, allowing them to also "see" in another way.
Birds and pterodactyls are not mammals and used a different bone to base their flight on.

It seems that evolutionists are indeed the knowers of life's most ancient history of all.

[austintorn@aol.com]

In the ancient philosophy of thought Nature said, via bacteria,

"Hey, let's go places."

"OK, but let's unload all this useless oxygen first."

"There it goes, up into the atmosphere, I hope."

"Uh-oh, the world is rusting first."

"Well, maybe after that."

(Let us now all give thanks to our masters, the bacteria)