Consciousness, Transcendence & Integration

[leskey]

Hi, Unreal Zelta.

How do we achieve or attempt to achieve such phenomenon?

I imagine such truth is only applicable to the individual?

Such claim is merely a verbal ornament.

The last line is designed to be disparaging. If your understanding is to the contrary, please elaborate - that would of course mean your opinions are subject to the same treatment.

[Unreal Zelta]

would of course mean your opinions are subject to the same treatment.

If such is the case, then my endeavours would be fruitless.

Such claim is merely a verbal ornament.

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please elaborate

regards

Zelta

[leskey]

How do we achieve or attempt to achieve such phenomenon?

I imagine such truth is only applicable to the individual?

If such is the case, then my endeavours would be fruitless.

You're being requested to contribute something of substance to this thread.

"...fruitless..." What sort of success are you aiming for exactly?

[melanie]

Personally, I find transcendence in each day of living and expect that I shall be integrated into the great scheme of things on the day that I cease breathing, biology and energy recycled.

The so called 'higher plane' of transcendental existence is Here-Now in Consciousness -there is nothing outside of Consciousness.
Transcendence is 'experienced' as *Psychoanalysis*
the process by which a well-balanced psyche becomes whole as the developing ego organizes the assumed identity,
and the state that results creates or restores by countering the fragmenting effect of separateness back to the whole.
It is a going beyond this illusion of 'real-spacetime' .. re-uniting with the essence of Real pure absolute wholeness awareness or eternal Source...which is NOWHERE
From source to source an endless spring......

This reality already IS INTEGRATION...
Integration is the coordination of processes in the biological nervous system, including diverse sensory energy information and motor impulses.
There is no-one to be' integrated' into this ...for Integration is already the case -a happening thing happening to no-one and no-thing.


This apparent 'happening' does not happen to 'you'
it happens through and as 'you'

There is no-one to cease breathing......there is only BREATHING for no-one.
'You' are the 'experiencing' of breathing.

'You' did not experience your first breath..'You' will not experience your last breath.


That realization can be realized either well before ..or somewhere prior to the taking of the assumed ''pseudo entities'' last breath.

This realization can be termed as ''AWAKENING'' for no-one
for THIS is already wide awake eternal.

An 'awakened being' then knows it is nothing arising as everything.... no need for anymore beliefs.

Enlightenment is ego based...a what's in it for me kind of approach...Beliefs.

No need to believe in something that already is the case.
You already ARE what you are looking for.
The 'real self' is not for sale.

It is important to re-member the difference between AWARENESS AND CONSCIOUSNESS.

If we are to survive as a human species.

[melanie]

The subtle differences between Awareness & Consciousness.
Although in reality they are one and the same, finite consciousness being an aspect of infinite awareness.

Consciousness is always changing, shifting, creating and destroying, whereas Awareness is stable, constant, eternal and never-changing.
When you think, you can be aware that you are thinking.
In other words, awareness can be aware of consciousness but it can't be the other way around.
Although most people confuse the two, they are like thought and awareness.
They need each other but are definitely not the same.

In the deeper truth we can say that Awareness is the One Being or Christ Self and it, when recognized, will bring transformation.
Awareness was never created because it has no beginning or end.
Awareness is timeless and when awakened (known or recognized) it is experienced as love, joy, glory and a multitude of other equally inexplicable heavenly feelings.
It is our Home. On the other hand, consciousness is the power of mind and creates through thought and emotion.
How we live and feel in the world is an exact replica of our consciousness.
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Consciousness vs. Awareness ...courstesy of r.p.bibra

We must understand the difference between consciousness and awareness; then it would be easy to understand the reality of ‘existence’. Soul is said to be embodied with three attributes, truth-awareness-bliss, corresponding to existence-being-beauty (bliss). Awareness as such is an attribute of Soul/Reality/God, and is not directly related to Cosmic-Consciousness, unless both are equated as the same---which is not true.
Each unit in nature---sentient/insentient--is embodied with conscious (as consciousness pervades in all) ---which is local i.e., individual. As rocks grow as rock and the trees as tree. Each category of life has its ‘history’ embodied in its seed e.g., a mango seed grows as mango tree and so on. The composite conscious of each unit in ‘existence’ is known as cosmic-consciousness. But it is bereft of the quality of ‘awareness’. Consciousness as such could be the ‘life-force’ of the insentient nature. It is the ‘conscious’ memory of the nature/creation. But there could be many other creations in the infinite vastness in which all universes along with their creations---gross, subtle-casual, subsume. In ‘existence’ the seeds of each creation project/manifest according to their latent ‘history’(memory).as the conscious in a mango seed grows only a mango tree. Similarly the seed of creation (COSMIC-EGG) manifests in correspondence to its conscious-memory---latent in it. There is nothing innovative in these projections, as these are merely the duplications of their ‘original-self’.
A realized soul is Aware’ that he/she is divine, as such embodied with the same attributes as that of the divinity.
Consciousness is the ‘conscious-memory’ of the material manifestation. It is not embodied with divine-awareness. All creations are conscious, but not aware. All human beings are conscious of the fact that they are human beings, embibed with the qualities of senses-mind-intellect-conscience-wisdom, but not all are aware of their being divine.
Existence is the entirety of ephemeral ‘existence’---the consciousness in all its three phases’ i.e. gross, subtle and casual.
Truth is existence of ‘One-Reality’, ‘That’ is AWARENESS; Its attribute is bliss. Realised-Self is ‘that’, who is aware of his/her divinity and who is always in the state of bliss. In nut-shell;
External Consciousness vs. Internal Awareness
Consciousness is related to only the material objective Jagath (Cosmos), whereas for the Divine-realisation/‘knowledge,’ it is always the Awareness.
Consciousness is of ‘Jagath (ephemeral-world)
Awareness is of Divine
Love&regards.ls

[Mikal]

How do we achieve or attempt to achieve such phenomenon?



I imagine such truth is only applicable to the individual?



Such claim is merely a verbal ornament.

regards

Zelta

Hi Zelta….may I say right off that there is no need to draw battle lines in this thread. We accomplish nothing in a battle until we put down our defensive weapons and decide we are going to share a mutual path of diplomacy and respect. I am a peaceful lady and I do know how to respect you and your thoughts and I would very much like to do that without insult, covert intimidation, devious intentions or creating posts that are filled with attitude. However, I should warn you that if that is what I am going to meet I do know how to conduct myself in those exchanges.

You ask me how we achieve the phenomenon of integration of the psyche. At this point I can tell you that because we are “souls” and psycho-spiritual evolution is based on age of soul there are some of us incarnated at the present time with an inborn and inner sense of the spiritual which is basically the psycho evolutionary urge. This is groups of souls actually experientially integrating their psyche. Then there is another group experiencing grades of spiritual development which comes about through a life crisis, very traumatic tragedy, loss that is anguished and situations where all supports acting as a foundation for one’s life collapses. Then there are soul groups of young souls who are not here about either of the above and can be doing anything from further expanding self-consciousness, a sense of family consciousness and even cultural consciousness.

How we achieve the phenomenon is what this thread is about but like myself, you will have to be patient because of course threads are unpredictable and even precarious because we are here at TOE to discuss so threads get off-track which is normal. The beginning of this thread I formulated the way I did so the progression of the thread has a foundation to rise from. Seeing I have a life, research responsibilities, a job, a family etc…I have to divide myself so cannot accomplish everything at once so to speak. I am sure you understand that.

Truth is applicable to the individual Zelta but from a soul/spiritual perspective we simply need to share some knowledge about ourselves that we lost through our own past historical battles.

In reference to what you refer to as “verbal ornament” could you please clarify your statement because I said a few things in my statement and fail to see what specifically you are referring to…

Mikal

[Mikal]

I quite concur, and evaluate myself as being only in the 'Consciousness' stage.

Personally, I find transcendence in each day of living and expect that I shall be integrated into the great scheme of things on the day that I cease breathing, biology and energy recycled.

The terms are acceptable.

Labelwench

Hi LW…I have noted from your concurrence with Zelta that your objective to be here is to challenge. That’s fine that is in my view, the objective of debate and discussion which can lead to insights on both sides, so on the same terms between Zelta and I could we hold our posts to mutual respectful challenge. Also as challengers it would more than likely help you if you knew that there is a distinct difference between you observing what you feel is the spiritual and a person being aware in a spiritual state, it is the state itself which is used for psycho-spiritual evolution or what Carl Jung in modern terms called “the integration of consciousness.”

It’s difficult to understand your reference to “the consciousness stage’ as I am well aware that consciousness is pretty well all there is based on varying levels, functions, abilities, capabilities, state of senses, and refinement of skills concerning self-disciplined control over instinctive forces within us and the aspect of consciousness we call intuition.

Transcendence in each day of life is not the state of transcendence being discussed here although I do understand what you mean by that and also that it is meaningful to a person’s life. The final death of the physical body is not about integration, it merely means the soul is dissolving its unity with the vehicle it uses to experience life.


Mikal

[labelwench]

Actually, Mikal, I made a statement of my delightfully simple world view.

The mistake I made in posting, was not to copy the whole of Zelta's post, which left his remarks not joined to their questions of context.

His questions seem fair enough to me.

Firstly, how to achieve such phenomenon?

I would question how you percieve that your experience has given you the "truth", while perhaps Zelta's has not. That seems rather self-aggrandizing, yet Zelta merely remarks that perhaps this is a personal truth. Therefore I accept also, that this is just your personal truth and opinion.

The term verbal ornament, I take also to mean an opinion expressed.

There is no challenge to you although there are some who seem to seek ulterior meaning in my words.

From the negative responses I encounter in my postings near you, I have ascertained that our philosophies are considerably divergent, so you may consider this my last post on this thread, as I do not care to share my thoughts on the matter further.

Labelwench

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Spiritual growth is the process of the psyche re-membering its parts into a whole

How do we achieve or attempt to achieve such phenomenon?


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Possibly your experience has not given you truth, mine has...

I imagine such truth is only applicable to the individual?


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We are in the Universe and the Universe is within us...the experience is Universal because being one with all is experienced, that is simply re-connecting to a sentient link which unites all creation which is life...

Such claim is merely a verbal ornament.

[Mikal]

Hi LW...it is your right and your absolute choice to leave this thread. I myself have made that choice on this forum.

Please note that my responsce to Zelta's original statement was not questioning Zelta's experience...the word possibly is suggestive to perhaps and leaves the discussion open for Zelta to expand and clarify his statement. He cannot question the truth of my experience just as I cannot declare his held no truth for him. No self-aggrandizement here, that is your assumption....

Negative responses near me LW are more than likely due to an image of the MUPPETS....not too relevent to the subject being discussed and I think thats all I really need to note.....


Regards Mikal

[labelwench]

Negative responses near me LW are more than likely due to an image of the MUPPETS....not too relevent to the subject being discussed and I think thats all I really need to note.....


Regards Mikal

Please add the entire context. Possibly you overlooked or forgot, that the post was addressed to Graybeard, who was joking about his lack of humility.

No one asked me. It was deleted and I was so advised.

It is becoming most evident that this is not an unbiased forum.

I don't believe there shall be anything else that requires clarification.

Labelwench