Consciousness, Transcendence & Integration

[MJA]

It's the system that is in need of change.
And rather than a revolution, it's time for a peaceful evolution.

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MJA

[Mikal]

Nelson Mandela's cried across Trafalgar Square...

"In our world there has been breathtaking advances in science, technology, industry and wealth accumulation...dragging beside it is its shadow, breathtaking advances in poverty, obscene inequality, terrible scourges of our time and slavery.

Overcoming poverty is not a gesture of charity, it is an act of justice. It is the protection of a fundamental human right, the right to dignity and a decent life."

I would add to that...for all not just a chosen few....


Mikal

[melanie]

Physics and Reality

Science proves the wave/particle reality, everything is a wave. atoms are everywhere, atoms, are 99% empty, thus how can we be solid?
Add to this the observer effect/us... things appear solid due to forces eg weak/strong forces of physics.

http://www.holoscience.com/

http://www.kronia.com/electric.html

http://www.the-electric-universe.info/

http://www.the-electric-universe.info/welcome.html

The four forces of physics,

Two of these four forces act in the atomic core.
One of them UNIFIES and holds matter together in the core (e.g. via fusion), the other force SEPARATES parts of the atomic core.
It produces the radioactivity of e.g. uranium and thorium (table).
The other two forces of these four forces act in the infinite space.
One of them - gravity - UNIFIES and holds matter together e.g. it forms stars from huge clouds.
It holds together stars, solar systems, binary stars, galaxies, clusters.
The other force - the electric force - SEPARATES matter of celestial bodies and repulses winds, loops, flares and light years-long jets.
The electrically ejected matter is formed to filaments via pinch effect. (see jets of Crab pulsar)

The attractive and repulsive forces in microcosm and macrocosm show the elegant simplicity and beautiful symmetry of the Universe.
This was not understood in the 20th century.
The main problem was, how could the Universe still have e.g. positive matter which should eject another positive matter as the Sun its proton-flares?
Yes, positive and negative matter continually neutralize each other.
But the sun-like stars continually produce new charged matter, too, e.g. negatively charged wind and proton-flares.

They do it via 43 times quicker thermal motion of the plasma-electrons related to that of the protons (Eddington 1925).
Therefore, electron-jumps outwards are in average longer than those inwards.
In addition to this thermoelement-effect, the solar photons and the solar neutrinos also push outwards the electrons to longer jumps but the ions to shorter ones.
The solar surface is charged negatively.
Neutron stars, cosmic rays and black holes have more violent electric functions.
This is shown in the book and in the homepage of "The Electric Universe".

Mind before Matter

Thats why we the people can change anything we want, if we truly believe it.

This power is what the elite hides from us.
This is why the elite uses esoteric symbols in the world, as our subconscious recognizes these symbols and gives them power.

This is why the control of information/knowledge is so important.

As knowledge creates beliefs and thus our perception of reality, and this contributes to the creation and sustaining of our reality.

Science and spiritual knowledge are not seperate subjects, this is a false division recently created.
Check the vedic scriptures, these show the two are the same.

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/index_new.htm

[Mikal]

Hi Mel...nice to see you studying the Electric Universe. I discovered the site a year ago and joined it to get news and article updates. Its quite amazing but many of the revelations of this site align with the ancient world view on the Univese and Creation. Most discussions align with the fact that the ancients knew and understood a secret science, electrical and electro-magnetic in nature. They understood space was filled eternally with atoms actuated by a ceaseless motion, they understood nebuloid plasmic clouds of ethereal light, they understood that ether was the breath of the Universal soul, they understood that the Sun periodically emits great bursts of EM charged plasma into the solar system as well as a constant stream of charged particles called the "solar wind." However they had knowledge that light is not the energy source from the objective sun but is from the nebulae they called the Mother substance. They said this nebulae was the heart and the matrix of all the living and existing forces in our solar universe, the Powers that set in action the atoms in thier functional duties. Sound is the creative medium, it was light that matter (local spirit) generated out of itself to produce all forms. They said it was the interaction of different qualities of light-substance (different because magnetically polarized) that enabled those same spirit beings to maintain fields of continuity of consciousness....


Thanks for links....


Mikal

[melanie]

Thanks Mikal... there's so much to learn and so little time.

It's a good job we've got forever to do it in...

[MJA]

The mind is imaginative.
Name, status, identity =one identity (social, cultural and economic)
Place of self-validation= an inner space produced by opinions, judgments and the values of others.
This is identity created by labeling, stereotyping, upbringing and social role.
Socially conditioned identity
To transcend and change this is the drive toward individuation, the recreation of the inner place of self-validation and to recreate the depth, complexity and wholeness of your human person.

Carl Jung concluded that awareness is primitive and should be sacrificed to the development of a concentrated, directed consciousness suited for the demands and tensions of modern, contemporary times.
Jung was fully aware that lying latent in the labyrinth of the unconscious was immense undifferentiated psychic energy being lost to the inner imaginings which menace us, obsessions which dominate us and fears which paralyze us. He understood that this energy was the ego’s libido (psychological desire, psychological energy and psychological purpose.)
This trapped energy is man’s unlimited capacity to learn and create.
Jung stated, “The psyche of civilized man is no longer a self-regulating system.” If the unconscious is left to its own devices man will be the cloned robots of the 21st century.
Every person’s greatest need is simply to become you.

The egg of consciousness is described as the lower unconscious affected by the collective unconscious. This is the lower ego.
The middle unconscious is described as a field of consciousness, a developing sense of conscious self or “I” molded and shaped by the collective unconscious of family, society and culture. This is the middle ego.
The higher self or higher ego is described as the higher unconscious or superconscious, and everything that entails the contents of the superconscious.
Psycho-spiritual evolution is about integrating and spiritualizing this intrapsychic 3 part system within consciousness.

Individuation is about knowing and being aware of your inner being, learning to control its various elements, harmonious inner integration of these warring parts and becoming yourself….This is the reconstruction of being and the transformation of the human libido.

To transcend means to bring together two opposing powers through an inner dynamic of process, this mediates psychic development. which is like a tree, a tree which can be seen but its real life is underground in its roots and beneath its bark. (Naomi Ozaniec.)
The collective, mass unconsciousness of the world is called the Animus Mundi or the world soul. To transcend and integrate consciousness is to break free from the world soul.
This thread is about the transcendence of the conditioned and culturally created sense of self and the integration of consciousness. I took the journey which spanned from 1977 to 2003, a process lasting 26 years which in all its complexity represents psycho-spiritual evolution. Lets discuss mind versus consciousness....


Mikal

Dear Mikal,

I don't see "mind or consciousness as different or "versus", do you?
As for three levels of ego, I only have One. How many do you have?
And regarding Jung's "Awareness should be sacrificed" Well then, turn out the lights, but I am going to leave mine on.

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MJA

[Mikal]

Sorry MJA...this is just disciplines of thought I have studied for years. I know from my own experience that there is a difference between mind/states of consciousness/intelligence/sentience.

I believe Jung made a remarkable discovery when he stated that there is a difference between Awareness which should be sacraficed to the development of a concentrated, directed consciousness suited for the demands and tensions of modern, contemporary times. I believe he was pointing out that awareness is awareness but concentrated, directed consciousness is consciousness with higher perception, therefore holding the possibility for higher understanding....

Three levels of ego is a thought system which was discussed in ancient times as a way to understand the soul and a way to understand metaphysical principles, it is also widely discussed today in modern times.

This thread does not ask you to adhere to any belief, it is simply a thread for those to share and discuss consciousness. Neither does it ask you to set your beliefs aside. If your not interested, then your not interested...pretty simple! If you garner no insights from the material then that is just the way it is, no big deal believe me...

Otherwise, thank you for your thoughts....I wonder why we have lightbulbs of different watts...does it tell us something???


Mikal

[Mikal]

As you stand in your life, partially conscious and partially aware your consciousness has been interfered with by enforced conditioning that entails social, cultural, economic masks of identity further complicated by others outside of you and their opinions, judgments, values and social inclinations to label identity.

The integration of consciousness functions because we have a natural, innate drive towards individuation, to move to the center of our being and move our consciousness through a process which causes the transcendence of enculturated and enforced identity.

As we stand in our lives, we have a conscious sense that we are physical form, we sense and have a potential for sensate and sentient experience. We have a mental world, we think and have a potential for intellectuality. We have a feeling world, we emote and have a potential for emotional experience. We have a sense of an inner private life; we intuit, contemplate and ponder and have a potential for such rare abilities as extra-sensory perception, telepathy, precognition, psychokinesis, telekinesis, out of body experiences, clairaudience, experience of ethereal realms and interaction with energy fields involving more subtle light and states of sensitivity. As consciousness we seem always to be in a current balance of personal energy where our sub-states of consciousness fluctuate between strong and weak qualities in our sub-states, where our psyche is forever dealing with a constant state of imbalance addressed through the environments of experience, time and change.
The state of our mind is our psychological state and the state of our psyche is that of our emotions and desires. The psychic state is not just intrapsychic; it is also reflected in our external presence in our lives and in the world.
We take for granted that everyone learns how to manage their lives but if your “sense sub-state” is weak managing your life is a difficult challenge that appears to others as a person low in intelligence when really for them, keeping practical concerns in life managed and in order is a difficulty they deal with daily until they feel it is a little safer to get closer to material life.
People with a weak “mental sub-state” typically mistrust an intellectual approach to life, they are quite often found mired in problems and crisis that overwhelm their lives because they lack ability to be impartial and objective.
People with a weak “emotional sub-state” typically feel their feelings as raw and fearful, these people have difficulty relating and responding on an emotional level and we often misrepresent their state as that they are cold and unfeeling people.

These are just some examples of our current state of personal energy and how we reflect our psychological and psychic state either in expressions of weak, strong or balanced states and explains how through expression we are diverse.

Regards Mikal

[Mikal]

For 25 years I have studied the Qabalah which is the ancient symbolic representation of the Tree of Life, which is the understanding of Consciousness.
In the ancient system Consciousness is called Equilibrium
The Tree of Life depicts a descending power called Intelligence because it is the Light-giving power of comprehension. This descending power contains and expresses the descending influences of the center pillar which is consciousness, the right hand pillar which is influences from Wisdom and the left hand pillar which is influences from Understanding.
In the ancient system Light, Wisdom and Understanding represented the Creator which they defined by three aspects: Hidden Intelligence, Illuminating Intelligence and Sanctifying Primordial Wisdom.

This descending Light-giving power was the Soul or Unified Consciousness. This power descended with seven principles:
1)The Principle of Mentalism>The All is Mind, the Universe is Mental.
2)The Principle of Correspondence>As Above, so Below and As Below, so Above.
3)The Principle of Vibration>Nothing rests, everything moves, everything vibrates.
4)The Principle of Polarity>Everything is Dual, everything has poles, everything has its pair of opposites, like and unlike are the same, opposites are identical in nature but different in degree, extremes meet all, all truths are half-truths, all paradoxes may be reconciled.
5)The Principle of Rhythm>everything flows, everything has tides, all things rise and fall, the pendulum swing manifests in everything, the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left, rhythm compensates.
6)The Principle of Cause and Effect>every cause has its effect; every effect has its cause. Everything happens according to Law, chance is a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation but nothing escapes the Law.
7)The Principle of Gender>gender is in everything, everything has its Masculine and its Feminine Principles, gender manifests on all planes.

The Soul, or Unified Consciousness descends to express itself within incarnation and expressing itself through a Sphere of Elements the ancients called Cholem ha Yesodeth or the Element of Earth>sensation and physical form. The Element of Air>a mental and intellectual life. The Element of Fire>an inner subjective life marked by intuition. The Element of Water>an emotional life.

As the Soul or Unified Consciousness descends down the Tree of Life, it defines the psyche as the Egg of Consciousness; its highest dimension is Metaphysical. In this dimension it is defined as the Higher Self or the part of the Ego that is Divine. On the right pillar it is the contents of the Superconscious pertaining to the influences of Wisdom and on the left pillar it is the contents of the Superconscious pertaining to influences of Understanding. It has a field of consciousness defined as the Higher Unconscious influenced by the Collective Unconscious.
On the next level or dimension which is defined as Ethical or Moral, consciousness is defined as a Conscious self or “I” in the center of the middle Pillar. It is shown as reflecting a field of Consciousness which is influenced by a field of the collective unconscious and is called the Middle Unconscious, the spiritual self or the part of the Ego which must be spiritualized.
On the lowest dimension which is defined as Psychological, consciousness is defined as the Lower Unconscious, Rational conscious or the Lower Self or the Lower Ego; this the ancients called the sacrificial Lamb.

Upon birth consciousness is fragmented into sense, physical matter, physical energy, non-physical energy, realms of mind, imagination, instinctive drives, inner nature, feeling, intuition, imagination, corporeal intelligence, emotional power, unconscious contents, conscious contents, superconscious contents, metaphysical energy and holds all possibility, capabilities and potential for transformation, integration and unification into what the ancients called Mystical Universalized Consciousness or Consciousness in the state of Equilibrium.

Regards Mikal
(To be continued)

[SteveA]

I was doing a little "soul searching" earlier and trying to piece things together and some of you comments, Mikal appear related.

I wish I could place everything in a precise position on this little map, but basically I assume physical events represent consequences of actions and these are in inherently logical - undirected action does nothing specific and isn't controllable so logical relationships determine what actions influence experiences in various ways and these can be very abstract relationships - almost like reading a book of any arbitrary concept and it's experienced as real.

But if physical laws are forms of instructions for a processor and the universe includes memory and operates as a computer, then it could be seen in some ways as perfect, though finite intelligence (it can be infinite but physical perceptions only encompass a finite portion of it, so whether or not it's infinite, the interactable component is determined by physical limits - the body). But that intelligence is just a tool without a purpose or direction - the universe doesn't point anywhere specific, it just moves "forward" in time (which might be better described as simply moving to anywhere but "back"), wherever time leads it, just like a semi-famous programming expression "garbage-in garbage-out". Of course none of it is actually garbage but it depends on the application and use which are fundamentally driven by values and emotional forces (in a sense, values can also be part of the "computation" with the emotional influence, similar to evolution, just being a state of better or worse relative to a physically unmeasurable standard - an unknown or undetermined future state).

Let's say the universe is transitioning through effectively random changes. What would be the purpose of this? Something that comes to mind is a search. But a search for what? Since logic can't change itself, it would have to be something beyond determinism or logic and I think emotions drive logic (though moral, ethics and values could be seen as computable, they're still related to general satisfaction or happiness that wouldn't appear to be something that could be physically computed).

I admit I'm painting these descriptions with my own views and understandings and interpretations so the contexts are personal references that can vary for other people or be described in different ways, but I'm certain many people can relate, in their own terms, with the ideas.

So consider the universe for a minute to be similar to a moment to moment opening up of new surprise boxes but in a manner as uncontrolled and random as possible. The boxes themselves are not random but are perfectly logically described and tangible (individual moments - intelligence), but the only requirement for the construction of a randomly selected new box is that a manner can be constructed to find it again, if desired (and this is memory or inertia).

If we assume that such states are better or worse on some scale, this implies a linearity (extensions, numbers, space), though it's an interesting question as to whether or not the value function (in some ways related to wisdom) is a linear function or not (one of the hard problems in mathematics and we could similarly see it like the question of whether or not space is warped or do black holes exist or is it Euclidean) - in other words, there's a question of whether or not "going downhill" is optimal or if the best results might occur near the peak of some mountain on the terrain (There's the "sacrificial lamb" you mentioned along with relationships to uncertainty, annealing, crystalization, Markov Chains and statistcal processes etc.).

Now it's interesting to consider that a continual search for something always better would appear predetermined to never arrive at a selection and if the process is simply intended to search through a potentially infinite number of solutions, then there would likely never be an end to this and the search process itself cannot make this decision.

Notice that if the decision process itself made this decision as to when to stop, it would simply stop at the first best result or the nth best result, but if the terrain was unknown then we could not determine there to be specifically any number of "better" states, so the search process would need to be predetermined to stop after some number of states were searched (finite universe, finite lifetimes) and then return the best results/solutions found (after life), in which case a path to restore those states would be necessary and hence we have physical laws, those these laws do not specifically prohibit free will but the moment that the choices were made could be seen as distributed throughout time and the resulting consequences of them from a physical standpoint could be unknown. Consider that just as the universe could be said to have been predetermined X billion years ago to cause you to experience something in the present, we can just as easily say that the universe was predetermined X billion years ago to allow you to experience the present state, specifically when you decided to experience "now" isn't particularly relevant as it was a choice to experience it that set things in motion and the consequences of that action, though in a physical/logical sense were not yet determined at that time, that's a cost of logical growth and is both a sacrifice and reward, though there could be growth that is not deterministic or controllable.

There are still questions beyond this and additional complexities that make it much more diverse in possibilities and I don't think it really encompasses all of "the Big Picture" but it's a decent chunk and it's very human (or not specifically human but would appear representative of life in the universe) and what I personally like about it is that it adds emotional drives to the picture and a cause behind the changes.

I recognize it's a personal interpretation with areas of disagreement for others, but the good thing about it being personal (and I think it's probably best if people construct their own) is that it makes sense to me and fits into something I can understand and possibly expect from my experiences - sort of like knowing that the guy/gal in charge of running the universe didn't fall asleep at the wheel and the log books are still being updated - there always appears to be a "chain a command" both up and down, but that's something that might have to be left for another day.

Upon birth consciousness is fragmented into sense, physical matter, physical energy, non-physical energy, realms of mind, imagination, instinctive drives, inner nature, feeling, intuition, imagination, corporeal intelligence, emotional power, unconscious contents, conscious contents, superconscious contents, metaphysical energy and holds all possibility, capabilities and potential for transformation, integration and unification into what the ancients called Mystical Universalized Consciousness or Consciousness in the state of Equilibrium.

That's an interesting description. Consider that if you were really really good at being yourself, you might need to "mix it up" a bit to get out of the groove and each of this "disunifications" could be seen as new direction of search ... by the time you pulled it all back together again, I'm certain there would be some interesting stories along the way .

There's a concept I've referred to as "ecstatic rigimortis" - basically if there was something someone could do that would just leave them ecstatic, it would appear a "frozen" state - there would be no desire to leave this point, even if something better existed. Maybe that's fine if someone doesn't need to eat or do anything else but personally I don't think I'd want to be in such a state if I had a choice - if I "fell" into such a state though I'd probably not want to leave almost by definition, and so from this perspective it seems that there would be some even greater desire for freedom (and growth) than for happiness (besides I don't always trust whoever pulls the "happy strings") - the potential for "happier" is more pleasing that knowing there exists an "immediate happy", so in some ways the pleasure is in the search itself and even bittersweet is good.

Still it may be that stones just roll different lengths but ultimately find a resting spot - anyway, I ramble.

Thank you for your posts. I tried to draw some correlations with the structures you mentioned in your description of the Qabalah. (The periodicities, dualities and rythms appear as part of the "clock" of the universe that keeps things synchronized and allows a record of everything to be kept and reconstructed later - sync markers in time track of the universe).

Also, consider that because conscious qualities of perceptions can differ between people, multiple conscious lives can be experienced in the same physical lifespan - for example, by swapping a couple colors, red and green for example, two people could experience the same life in the same body and not alter anything physically - and there are potentially an unlimited number of conscious qualities that could be associated with a physical perception, so a lot of people could go back and reexperience the "oldies" without physically altering anything with the qualities of perceptions allowing physically undetectable "counts" to be added to support any number of conscious observers)