Consciousness, Transcendence & Integration

[Mohan.C]

Hi Mo....nice to hear from you again!!

When my parents were young parents beginning out with their children the knowledge had not yet surfaced that for example priests were sexually abusing young children in particularly young altar boys. My parents would have had their religious beliefs enculturated in by their own family choice of religious preference so the attempt to transfer beliefs to me, however I had no attraction for religious belief or worship which must have been innate or I would have just conformed....which I did not.
At the time of religions peak it must have seemed necessary to them to have a god like symbol ruling all for the ensurance of outer moral sake of behavior and action.

Was there a necessity to be conformed to be civilized? Interesting question Mo and I had that question taken to broader horizons when I studied the work of Paulo Freire and he stated...."while the problem of humanization has always, from an axiological point of view, been humankind's central problem, it now takes on the character of an inescapable concern. If there is the need for humanization there must be the recognition of dehumanization, not only as an ontological possibility but as an historical reality." Basically what he was saying is man has made the error of seeing us as animal in nature and having the need to be humanized or enculturated to be conformed to being civilized....

In your ending statements Mo...the word "hid" or hidden comes to light. Wisdom is hidden because it was intended to be the experiential..(inner.) Historically the knowledge of experiential wisdom was hidden in myth, symbol and metaphor because these were the times or epochs of rampant religious/government persecution between the varying levels of those societies. Even in the hidden Gnostic text "The Gospel of Philip" the phrases refer to the Archons which meant..."those who govern us."
Jesus as an historical figure said from the cross..."forgive them Father for they know not what they do." He was imparting that the society who crucified him was functioning unconsciously as a massive collective mind which I just call "the stop and go mentality."

We are well beyond open and rampant persecution so now we solve the riddles of our own ancient history. I would not say we are beyond covert intimidation and manipulation of the masses but we now must speak out.

Let us take the word "responsibility" out of the equation and I become like every other member of the TOE seeking to learn and seeking to teach...

Now would you share with me whether you are religious, spiritual or whatever??
I am not here to judge, I am here to understand....I respect all ways to walk through life....


Mikal

But, having that god like symbol ruined it all according to me. Once misdirected, civilization could never completely come out of that ignorance.

Am I spiritual?
No.
Am I religious?
I am not tied down by my religion, If it makes sense I follow it.

[Mikal]

Hi Mo...thank you for sharing and I certainly hope I was not seeming to be invasive there....smiles...

Humanity having a god-like symbol was something I really wanted to understand logically. Now the epochs or what has been called the Ages I deeply studied in my attempt to understand the different stages of development in humanity...they strangely seem to coincide....

1)The Age of Leo-10,000-8000 BC-hunter-gatherer consciousness-self-consciousness, man is aware he must survive.

2)The Age of Cancer-8000-6000 BC-tribal consciousness.

3)The Age of Gemini-6000-4000 BC-written and drawn communicational
consciousness.

4)The Age of Taurus-4000-2000 BC-cultural and agricultural consciousness.

5)The Age of Aries-2000 BC-AD 0-warrior consciousness.

6)The Age of Pisces-AD O-2000-religious inspiration carrying the vision of
Mankind. (Notice the seeming coincidence that Mankind becomes warrior conscious and that is followed by what you could say would be an epoch of outer moral development in mankind)

7)The Age of Aquarius-2000-4000-one-humanity consciousness.

My study reveals Mankind has been on a course of direction and is now coming out of ignorance....possibly man could not help this misdirection because there are forces in the universe we are yet to understand....


Mikal


Mikal

[Mohan.C]

Thanks Mikal...
But, most of the eastern religions were present well before 0 A.D... Infact, Buddhism and Jainism which are relatively new religions were formed at around 400 B.C...

And some vedic scriptures come from before 3000 B.C. And they speak a lot more about the existence and non existence of god, than more recent texts.

Or I may be dreadfully wrong because I am not very well informed about this subject.

But, you may be right in that, "religious inspiration carrying the vision of Mankind." was more during 0 to 2000 A.D.
Because that was time, when a necessity to "follow a leader" was more. And its interesting that after the warrior consciousness comes the religious age, its more like "the strongest survived" if you ask me.

But, as I say. I may be wrong.

[Mikal]

Hi Mo....The Epochal Structure above is a way to study and attempt to grasp an understanding of the different stages of development of Mankind.

No I feel you would not be wrong in your statements as it is rather well known that eastern religions have ancient roots, roots which were of the nature of being spiritual and occult (of hidden wisdom.) The rule of thumb I use is that any system revealing the spiritual is about meaning, value and genuine quality relationship called "intimacy with self" that then becomes more genuine with the outer. Religions I see as a system of fixed dogma...if there is a fixed dogma then I identify it as a religion.

Myself Mo, I studied the classic, "Forbidden Archeology and the Hidden History of the Human Race" the work of Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson, so my curiosity is lying on the edge of pre-history, what was thought to be the Quaternary Age and the suggestion that humankind existed 1.5 million years ago. Now thats a mystery and I am particularly fascinated by that suggestion so as ever my study just goes on....for me, anything is possible....


Mikal

[Mikal]

Jung wrote..."The death of God is a psychic fact of our time." The statement that God is dead reflects the loss of the contents of the unconscious psyche which enters consciousness in the form of image and symbol.

Given the present religious situation it is man himself to whom will or should be accorded a new, if impersonal dignity. (Man & His Symbols)
Jung described this as to mankind acquiring sense of responsibility to consciousness. Man was going to return to working things out through contemplation (intuit) for if man is deprived of his soul (self/psyche) man is also deprived of his consciousness.



Mikal

[leskey]

Hi, All.

'' As we all know, everything in this universe is vibratory in nature, and so it is that when two souls establish a vibratory resonance with each other, their unified frequency brings them into a deeply resonant field of oneness, their respective consciousness merging into a single "onesciousness" - the awareness of being One. When that happens, each soul spontaneously sense the other soul's thoughts and feelings — what is generally called telepathy, a poorly understood phenomenon that involves much more than simply sharing one's thoughts with another being — and very powerful waves of tingling bliss engulf both soul beings into an ecstatic communion that brings pure joy and often draws tears of elation. To establish soul resonance between two or a virtually limitless number of souls, all that is needed is a simple act of surrendering one's control over our separate sense of self-perception, an act born out of love for and utter faith in each other's divine beingness, something which the ancient concept of namaste partly expresses. For any soul who has not yet experienced this sort of deep surrendering to the One Omniversal Force Field of Love, the universal medium through which synchronous fusion is achieved — something which is somewhat reflected by the concept of entanglement as defined in quantum physics — it takes a definitively complete leap of faith to first achieve this state of being which, by their very nature, is an innate ability all souls can experience."

All for LOVE
Allonelove wearing many faces of itself..

Mel, this quote describes all vibration synchronizing, or coming into phase.

I agree, the outward expression of love without any internalized need for reciprocation is what it means to come into "phase."

[greenbug]

Sometimes perfection last only so long. Perhaps because there is a difference that over time separates perfection from, well imperfections.

A mountain will find the sea over time, but will the sea ever know the sky below it? Some phases just don’t change or meet. Perfection for some is never accomplished no matter how long one may wait. What frequency is this? When one day your world will be upside down or perhaps only in your own mind?

[melanie]

Mel, this quote describes all vibration synchronizing, or coming into phase.

I agree, the outward expression of love without any internalized need for reciprocation is what it means to come into "phase."

Good observation Leskey

From that fixed reference point, we can see there there never was a 'reference point' at all.
At that "pointless point" of awareness, your ground-of-being becomes, quite simply, "I AM"
and you recognize the very essence of who you really are.

LOVE…LOVING ITSELF!


Here life becomes harmoniously synchronized as you are no longer swimming against the tide.
You realize, that you are not just the waves, but the whole ocean as well.
Waves ebb and flow, rise up from below, & crash with fury,we think there is no cure-y
while the deep ocean below, does not show, lying quietly, & silently still.

It is T(here) your true primordial heart lie ..beneath the bottom line.

If anyone has ever accused you of being ''deep'' ..say nothing, and just (((smile)))

[Mikal]

In reference to the philosophical thought from ancient to the present concerning the word..."VIBRATION"

In the Temple of the Frescoes at Talum, Mexico, archeologists specilizing in Mayan studies (Refield, Landa, Cogulludo, Roys) discovered Bee Gods. The Bee Gods are also found in the Codex Tro-Cortesianus in Madrid.

These Bee Gods date back to the Machu Picchu Mystery School where the trainees were called Mamacona, young priestesses referred to as sacred Virgins of the Sun who were trained in the proper use of the receptive vehicles, the inner senses that lead to the development of intuition, deeper knowing and the sacred arts. Learning the art of intense listening was to learn the art of speaking without words.

This Mystery School taught about the ordinary world of linear time which is perceived and entered through the 5 senses. By contrast, the non-ordinary world of sacred time, called Yoge, was perceived and entered through the inner senses. It was about controlling the internal chatter of the mind, learning how to focus attention and heightening the awareness of the sense of smell and hearing. Rising up to those levels was seen as holding all aspects of both worlds in the light of the creator so as to walk in balance.
( Judith Polich)

The Bee representative of the spiritual world of sacred time is relevant to the process of Integration of consciousness. In my own experience when I reached that step it was marked by "vibrational sensations which ran across the center of my forehead just above the brow line and also a BUZZING, vibrational sound deep within my inner ear."

Hence the ancients created the Bee God as symbolic of the spiritual journey of consciousness unfolding, which has it roots in the ancient Qabalah and is now in modern times Jungs study of the "Integration of consciousness."

From its roots comes "Love is vibrational energy in nature."


Mikal

[greenbug]

You know I get vibrations in my forehead just above my brow line when I hold my chin with my hand (like the thinker). Perhaps it just means I need more coffee? Maybe I'm running low on sugar? Either way perhaps its the vibration that causes stimulation of the brain? idk.