Consciousness, Transcendence & Integration

[Mikal]

r.p. bibra probably meant Llloyd Gillespie (sp?) with 'Lg', not Mikal.

I, too, do not scribe an idea but use the known foundation of brain science that greatly sped up in the 1990's (the decade of the brain) and greatly continues with its findings. You can respond another time, for it will ever come into play.

Thank for the correction although I ponder why RP is talking to LG in my thread...he does not participate here so a strange remark in my view.

In the very first post in this thread there is the statement..."So lets discuss consciousness/mind.

This thread is not about the brain, there are many other threads you can discuss that Austin...the mind is not the brain, the mind uses the brain....

Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

the mind is not the brain —MIkal

Not much of a discussion then if this is predefined. Well, then, if you give us a firm definition of the brainless mind then we can stay within those parameters. At least we can discuss consciousness in the meanwhile and also what we think is the mind until…

[austintorn@aol.com]

Hanalei, Kauai

Photons stream in; the brain’s visual systems I-IV analyze incidence angles, forms, brightness, intensity, texture and much more, combining and painting the face of all into unity. The scene, actually seen only inside the head, as ever, is a projection based on the distances of the contents of the scene, etc. Other brain systems ‘know’ the contents of the scene, such as trees, mountains and rainbows, and their associations, and this is added to the unity. Memories may be associated and thoughts and feelings and qualia all arise in the mind’s eye, bound and observed in consciousness.

[Mikal]

Lg, Austin
Though both of you proclaim to be atheists but ls wonders, as going through your posts one is compelled to think otherwise. The intellectual depth in your respective fields and the constant quest for pure knowledge would pale away the fake modern day gurus---exportable commodity from India, when confronted with your logic and reasoning power. Spiritualism is the knowledge of the ultimate truth about creation and that’s what your quest is about! Salute.love&regards.ls
Ps. it is good your exposure is limited otherwise worldly honors & Celebes floodlights would have kept you away from us (toe)!

Dear RP...I offer my most sincere apologies for misinterpreting your post here and can only tell you that I had thought you were speaking to the present posters being Austin and I. I suppose the post kind of threw me as I did feel you Knew or had understood that in nature I am spiritual and also I suppose it threw me because of course LG does not participate in this thread.
These may seem lame excuses but that is how it transpired and I am sorry....smiles....

Sincerely Mikal

[melanie]

Mel, you never saw Brahman and, so, obviously, these tales were invented out of imagination. The same for stating his nature and intentions or what he wants, etc.


Neti Nuti Noey

Austin no thing has ever been seen, things are only ''known'' in consciousness.
Some bright intellectuals here on earth, might not be able to wrap their brain around that statement, but's it's easier than you think.

Trying to describe a TOE with words is like trying to describe the taste of an orange, to someone who has never tasted an orange.

Flush the toooo many words, and look beyond them,
do not all words point to something beyond words?
Also words are concepts, but 'something' unseen unheard not a concept, not a thought
knows each and every thought/concept as it arises.

Talk or write about it and it has become a concept again.
And this is known by......?


Man exsist in the Imagination -He survives and thrives there.


If I dont exsist in the Image Nation, then where on Earth do I exist ?

All is Brahman, there is no-thing that is not Brahman, yet Brahman is no-thing, that's the infinite feedback loop.

So...what is death? but the end of story.
What is Neti Neti? A new story... after death..in the same body.

You are nothing but your stories, and everyone likes a good story.
Stories full of noise and fury told by fools signifying nothing.

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neti neti = not this belief not that belief

Neti Neti
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

In Hinduism, and in particular Jnana Yoga and Advaita Vedanta, neti neti is a chant or mantra, meaning "not this, not this", or "neither this, nor that" (neti is sandhi from na iti "not so").

Adi Shankara was one of the foremost Advaita philosophers who advocated the neti-neti approach.

The Upanishads talk of a supreme existence, an impersonal oversoul, called Brahman, which goes beyond western-definitions of a personal God. Brahman by definition, encompasses all reality, and is therefore not completely describable. Neti-neti is therefore held as the approach to understand the concept of Brahman without using affirmative (and thereby inadequate) definitions or descriptions of Brahman.

The purpose of the exercise is to negate conscious rationalizations, and other distractions from the purpose of a meditation. It is also a sage view on the nature of the Divine, and especially on the attempts to capture and describe the essence of God. In this respect, the phrase succinctly expresses the standpoint of negative theology.




Thankyou, come again ...

[austintorn@aol.com]

Thankyou, come again ...
— Mel

I would, but we have to be sure to get back to the specific topic sometimes.

[melanie]

Thankyou, come again ...
— Mel

I would, but we have to be sure to get back to the specific topic sometimes.

Then you should buy your own free advise.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Then you should buy your own free advise. — Mel

I am. 'We' includes me.

[Mikal]

To continue my discussion into transcendence, integration of consciousness and the breakdown of one’s own emotional nucleus, we first need to understand the purpose of emotion before it is interfered with or imprinted falsely.

Emotion is dynamic in the sense that it has multidimensional purposes. It is the basis for the instinct for survival. It is the potential for emotional awareness. It is sensitivity which is associated with the human tendency to addictive tendencies which allow escape from a sense of objective reality too harsh. It is the possibility of a well-developed feeling nature which means attunement into the moods of others. It is the possibility to manage deep and strong intimate bonds with the intensity of life. It is the possibility to live in a super-receptive state which can only exist from a refined sensory nature. It is the possibility to tune into the emotional states of others as well as to retrieve emotional memories and neutralize past pain within oneself. It is the experience in life of either being intellectually empowered or intellectually disempowered. It is the possibility of receptive mentality. It is subjective concern related to our need to receive love. It is our possibility for control over strong emotional awareness. It is our potential to discriminate information from life. It is our possibility to feel and sense insecurity in our own experience. It is the strength or weakness of our will. It is primal nature and provocative energy and undercurrents within our inner emotional life. It is our possibility for emotional self-control. It is our potential to understand inner emotional power, our responsibility to that energy and how to effectively direct that energy. It is our potential to experience ourselves to the deepest core of self, understanding in that experience the nature of self, a psychological understanding of self, thereby gaining sympathetic understanding of the suffering of others, which can only be achieved through disciplined introversion.

Emotion in a positive sense is the basis for inner character. It is the basis for the kind of inner strength which allows us to pass through the most difficult experiences with life so it is the substance of a fine connection between faith/trust and reason. It is the necessity for us to trust in the power of our own sensitivity as it is hinged to all potential for our internal spiritual growth, development and evolution within our own experience of intra-psychic consciousness.

Every system built into the human psyche has purpose. Above I describe many emotional possibilities, potentials, desired states and existential needs deep in human primal nature. It is not so much that this inner emotional system is complex that makes achievement seem impossible it is that we fail to understand that the subjective mind is from the beginning “undeveloped notion.” That development is compromised by the objective mind, imprinting into the subjective, notions and concepts of fears, doubts, insecurities, a false sense of self and basically what becomes self-development/consciousness of self constrained for the over-whelming insistence and need of cultural consensus regarding human behavior.


Regards Mikal
(to be continued)

[Mikal]

Before emotion is imprinted with falseness, wounds and scars it is the possibility for “sensual, empathic nature” which becomes the substance from which rises the emotional possibilities, potentials and needs I have discussed above.

What I am now going to discuss is the actual mystery of transcendence which has been known from the beginning and through all ages as, “the building of one’s Merkaba or Body of Light.”


Only in diversity can union be found. (Egyptian teaching)

Diversity>the state of being varied.

Varied>Latin root>variegare “make varied”>links to all words meaning, “Able to change, amounts of change, to make different, to make a new version.”
Version>a form that differs.

When objective reality collapses it produces Nihilism. (I. Heath)

Nihilism>seeing something in life that does not find favor in your eyes.
Nihilism>the end of searching for external value and meaning in the world (Albert Camus)
Nihilism>leveling to stillness through an abstract process. (Soren Kierkegaard)


Nihilism is a trigger inherent within the force of Transcendence because this force constitutes our nature.

What I am describing above in the first explanation of Nihilism is what is called a labial wound. It is the archetype of Jason in Greek myth who in his quest for the divine, rejects the natural world (collapse of objective reality) and sets in motion the forces of his own destruction and transformation.

The labial wound connects to one of the oldest images of the Tree of Knowledge where the sign and symbol of Scorpio peaks out at the bottom of the tree. In the ancient system Scorpio represents, “the unconscious, the cave of the mind (Crown) and was the “the Womb of the World Mother.”
The Gnostic Jesus stated, “You must be born again of water (Scorpio) meaning “the emotional unconscious or the cave of the mind or the Womb of the World Mother.”
Carl Jung stated, “You must be born again of the unconscious.”

The sign Scorpio anciently had the symbols of Scorpion (survival/the creation of the webbed mind) the phoenix (the ba, the soul, the gathering up of the body (organic) and the nest of its parent (former self) where the body is carried to an altar in the Temple of the Sun, this is a metaphor for consciousness sacrificing its lower parts.
(Ovid, the Roman writer who authored The Metamorphosis/43 BC-AD Eighteen)
The ancient sign Scorpio also had the symbol of the snake (Wisdom) and the eagle (making the distance come closer.)

In the third explanation of Nihilism…. “Leveling to stillness through an abstract process” I am explaining the process experienced called “closing the gate of the senses” and the attention span turning inward. This step of the process is the first integration between the right and left of the physical brain (leveling or equaling in position.) This change is so subtle it is not realized consciously.

Regards Mikal
(To be continued)