Consciousness, Transcendence & Integration

[Mikal]

The mind is imaginative.
Name, status, identity =one identity (social, cultural and economic)
Place of self-validation= an inner space produced by opinions, judgments and the values of others.
This is identity created by labeling, stereotyping, upbringing and social role.
Socially conditioned identity
To transcend and change this is the drive toward individuation, the recreation of the inner place of self-validation and to recreate the depth, complexity and wholeness of your human person.

Carl Jung concluded that awareness is primitive and should be sacrificed to the development of a concentrated, directed consciousness suited for the demands and tensions of modern, contemporary times.
Jung was fully aware that lying latent in the labyrinth of the unconscious was immense undifferentiated psychic energy being lost to the inner imaginings which menace us, obsessions which dominate us and fears which paralyze us. He understood that this energy was the ego’s libido (psychological desire, psychological energy and psychological purpose.)
This trapped energy is man’s unlimited capacity to learn and create.
Jung stated, “The psyche of civilized man is no longer a self-regulating system.” If the unconscious is left to its own devices man will be the cloned robots of the 21st century.
Every person’s greatest need is simply to become you.

The egg of consciousness is described as the lower unconscious affected by the collective unconscious. This is the lower ego.
The middle unconscious is described as a field of consciousness, a developing sense of conscious self or “I” molded and shaped by the collective unconscious of family, society and culture. This is the middle ego.
The higher self or higher ego is described as the higher unconscious or superconscious, and everything that entails the contents of the superconscious.
Psycho-spiritual evolution is about integrating and spiritualizing this intrapsychic 3 part system within consciousness.

Individuation is about knowing and being aware of your inner being, learning to control its various elements, harmonious inner integration of these warring parts and becoming yourself….This is the reconstruction of being and the transformation of the human libido.

To transcend means to bring together two opposing powers through an inner dynamic of process, this mediates psychic development. which is like a tree, a tree which can be seen but its real life is underground in its roots and beneath its bark. (Naomi Ozaniec.)
The collective, mass unconsciousness of the world is called the Animus Mundi or the world soul. To transcend and integrate consciousness is to break free from the world soul.
This thread is about the transcendence of the conditioned and culturally created sense of self and the integration of consciousness. I took the journey which spanned from 1977 to 2003, a process lasting 26 years which in all its complexity represents psycho-spiritual evolution. Lets discuss mind versus consciousness....


Mikal

[Mohan.C]

Mind versus consciousness... hmmmm, which one is mind and which one is consciousness?

Mikal, I agree with "break free from the world soul." But, to swim against a tide, there should be a tide... If every one is swimming against the tide, then "swimming against the tide" will become the tide, and everyone will just turn around to swim against this, which will just repeat itself... No matter how hard anyone tries, its impossible to be unique if everyone is unique. So, there should be some "sameness"...
Don't you think so? Or, am I completely missing the point here?

[mkirkpatrick]

Great thread starter M,the mind appears to me as "personal" whereas consciousness seems so very impersonal,as though I am a small stream within a mighty
ocean.Self-awareness seems to be the bridge which allows
the flow from the stream to the ocean and vice versa.



regards michael.

[Mikal]

Hi Mo...the only way I can answer your first question is mind thinks thought or roof brain chatter. Consciousness is highly creative energy, it is the 5 sense reality unified with the higher oracular, oratory and kinaesthetic components of consciousness. It flows from the center out and the flow just is...just flows.

I think Itzhak Bentov...made it quite clear that "not everyone will swim against the tide together." He drew a diagram of more or less the arc of possibilities for psycho-spiritual evolution revealing those who will lag in the tail end of the arc...those in the middle and those at the beginning of the arc. So your statement is quite legitimate but if this is our evolutionary possibilities and realities more or less in cycles then ethically I feel it becomes the responsibility of those who know to reveal the stages of the journey to those lagging in the arc...

Let us say that sameness should define a collective community gifted with the cultural contribution of each person for we are all culture bearers. Yet in that community there should be room for each individual as unique to self minus cultural consensus that everyone and all behavior should be sameness. Individuation is an inner reality which can only enhance and empower a shared, collective community.

If we have an inner place of healthy self-validation and a self-regulated intra-psychic, psyche system then we would naturally create an intelligent world from our own innate natural intelligence....

I hope I have answered your question in a way that lends understanding to you.....


Mikal

[Mikal]

Great thread starter M,the mind appears to me as "personal" whereas consciousness seems so very impersonal,as though I am a small stream within a mighty
ocean.Self-awareness seems to be the bridge which allows
the flow from the stream to the ocean and vice versa.



regards michael.

Thanks Michael...I see consciousness as we are the small streams, the currents that move it, the forces creating the tides, smoothing the banks, eroding the banks and breaking the banks and barriers to make new inroads of streams and waterways ...it probably looks just like the impulse that creates new synaptic pathways in our brains....


Mikal

[Mohan.C]

Great thread starter M,the mind appears to me as "personal" whereas consciousness seems so very impersonal,as though I am a small stream within a mighty
ocean.Self-awareness seems to be the bridge which allows
the flow from the stream to the ocean and vice versa.



regards michael.

I love the way you have used the words here.
You say "A small stream 'within' a mighty ocean" by which I think you are saying, both ocean and stream are of the same things.
And by saying 'within' I think you mean, the stream is actually indistinguishable from the ocean.
And then you say "Self-awareness seems to be the bridge which allows
the flow from the stream to the ocean and vice versa."
Let me try to understand that, and please correct me if I am wrong.
I am using 'drop' here instead of 'stream' as it makes it more easier for me to understand. You are saying we are a 'drop' in the 'mighty ocean' and self-awareness is what makes the drop be a part of the ocean.
May be I have misinterpreted your words. If so, please forgive me!

Thanks, that was a great post.

[Mohan.C]

Hi Mo...the only way I can answer your first question is mind thinks thought or roof brain chatter. Consciousness is highly creative energy, it is the 5 sense reality unified with the higher oracular, oratory and kinaesthetic components of consciousness. It flows from the center out and the flow just is...just flows.

I think Itshac Bentov...(could be spelled wrong, if so sorry.) made it quite clear that "not everyone will swim against the tide together." He drew a diagram of more or less the arc of possibilities for psycho-spiritual evolution revealing those who will lag in the tail end of the arc...those in the middle and those at the beginning of the arc. So your statement is quite legitimate but if this is our evolutionary possibilities and realities more or less in cycles than ethically I feel it becomes the responsibility of those who know to reveal the stages of the journey to those lagging in the arc...

Let us say that sameness should define a collective community gifted with the cultural contribution of each person for we are all culture bearers. Yet in that community there should be room for each individual as unique to self minus cultural consensus that everyone and all behavior should be sameness. Individuation is an inner reality which can only enhance and empower a shared, collective community.

If we have an inner place of healthy self-validation and a self-regulated intra-psychic, psyche system then we would naturally create an intelligent world from our own innate natural intelligence....

I hope I have answered your question in a way that lends understanding to you.....


Mikal

Of course you have, Mikal. Thanks.

My question, why is there a 'tide' in the first place?
I know, you have said, its collective consciousness( or unconsciousness)...
But, why is it that society follows the 'tide'...
Isn't it because of a 'leader'...
So, when you say "responsibility of those who know to reveal the stages of the journey to those lagging in the arc"
Wouldn't that just create another tide?

[MJA]

The mind is imaginative.
Name, status, identity =one identity (social, cultural and economic)
Place of self-validation= an inner space produced by opinions, judgments and the values of others.
This is identity created by labeling, stereotyping, upbringing and social role.
Lets discuss mind versus consciousness....


Mikal

Dear Mikal,

Thanks for the well written post.

I've stereotyped myself as you surely know with the infinite universe and call us One. And regarding the the "versus" or division of mind and consciousness, Mr. Jung battled the problem too. I suggest it would be best to replace versus with equal and call it a Onderfully true day. That is where I see the discussion should go. Unity is the pathway to freedom.

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MJA

[Mikal]

First of all Mo...I would also like to extend special thanks to Michael for his post. I would like this thread to hold varying perspectives for we understand one another, through one another's way and personal experience with life...

Why is there a tide in the first place? Because man has been evolving and transcending the human libido since the beginning. Its the part of the psyche which is thought to be the emanations of what was called the Divine mind as creation is unfolded.

Why is it that society follows the tide? To understand this we have to get into the semantics of the word culture and enculturation. Society as a collective exists before you so you must be drawn into it. Now this is only logical because in all reality you are under your families' influence for the first 7 years and that is even less now for those who must be drawn into the collective. Lets understand enculturation as the collective helping to shape and mold your inner sense of self. A healthy collective would have a better chance to carry that out than what sociologist Mills called a sick society.

Lets understand "to culture' as the encouragement of simultaneous teaching and learning, going on between you and another, that teaching and learning would be the encouragement to lead you to think from your own mind, to form strong decisional principles for your own life and to exemplify to you that reality is never a fixed idea but is always changing.

Is it because of a leader? Well, when we professionalized Teaching we made it a career, an economic principle in the scheme of teaching, we then institutionalized it and of course it had to run on institutional mandates for example control through rote teaching. We cut off our nose to spite our face so to speak. Now here, I am not attacking teachers. I have been reading Profpats recent posts and find them remarkable as he as a teacher has realized in teaching he must not assume his students know what he understands.

I personally feel responsible to tell you about the stages of the journey because if evolution is writ large in your life, as it was mine, I would wish nobody my journey for it came upon my life suddenly, I began it with ignorance and also innocence. If I had to do it again I would wish for like the ancients a "high priest" to guide me as I met my troubled inner self and warring parts....


Mikal

[Mikal]

Dear Mikal,

Thanks for the well written post.

I've stereotyped myself as you surely know with the infinite universe and call us One. And regarding the the "versus" or division of mind and consciousness, Mr. Jung battled the problem too. I suggest it would be best to replace versus with equal and call it a Onderfully true day. That is where I see the discussion should go. Unity is the pathway to freedom.

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MJA

Thanks MJ...Its fine that you have stereotyped yourself with the infinite universe, you would never have gotten this stereotype from the collective...

Why did I say mind versus consciousness? Because it is self-evident in numerous diciplines of thought that at the root the two would be equal (unity and oneness) however the system itself seems to flow out in a tripartite structure that reveals mind has functions but so does consciousness. Strange indeed but seemingly the way nature designed it to be....

I guess that I do not want to quibble over different words...because it seems the whole cantains all its own parts...again strange but seemingly designed that way....

Thanks MJ...I will remember to be focused on the words....


Mikal