I.D. Who's life is it anyway?

[melanie]

Everything is Consciousness.
Consciousness makes things through the direct act of becoming the things which consciousness creates.


Can a human design a robot that.....

Is less than ¼ inch tall
Can carry heavy loads
Can dig large holes
Can cross any terrain
Can find its own energy sources
Can make other robots like itself

Unquestionably, if you could do this, your skill would be truly amazing.
People would marvel. Where did you get the technology?
How did you develop such an advanced design?

The interesting thing is that this has already been done. We call it an ant.

What's more amazing is that we step on them and spray them with poison because they are a trivial nuisance.
Compared to man they are simple and insignificant. Man is complex beyond our imagination.

How could we ever believe that such fabulous design is not the work of an intelligent and powerful mind?

[austintorn@aol.com]

You halted too soon again, just giving an 'answer' that is really but a larger question.

How could we ever believe that such fabulous design of an Intelligent and Powerful Mind is not the work of a more INTELLIGENT and POWERFUL mind, etc., ad infinitum?

Why have an initial theory take off so strongly and then halt it so immediately, making it weak and false?

[melanie]

You halted too soon again, just giving an 'answer' that is really but a larger question.

I don't know how many times i've told you this Austin, but there are no answers, there are only questions.
I said everything is consciousness, i didn't say why or how everything is consciousness, or where it originated from.
That can never be known, all i know is that i am the known, and i don't know how i know.

How could we ever believe that such fabulous design of an Intelligent and Powerful Mind is not the work of a more INTELLIGENT and POWERFUL mind, etc., ad infinitum?

Because there is no mind. The mind is Artificially created.
Selfs are phantoms.
Identification is suffering.
There is a waking within that arena in which sense of self loses its centre and identification shifts to become the dream itself.
Identification is "Reality" identifying.

Why have an initial theory take off so strongly and then halt it so immediately, making it weak and false?

Because we have no physical evidence for an intelligent conscious mind, except in its projected contents,
its not a physical thing, rather its no thing appearing as every thing.
It's a reflection, a mirage, how many times have i told you this Austin?
What part of this don't you understand ?

[Meem]

I wonder what a quantum mind would be like, at the speed of light. Not a hard disc, but something more organic, and perhaps primal.

[austintorn@aol.com]

I don't know how many times i've told you this Austin, but there are no answers, there are only questions. — Mel

However, this is an answer:

I said everything is consciousness, i didn't say why or how everything is consciousness, or where it originated from. — MelFrom the Dreamer Guy.You (and some) have it that Life explains life, but that Life is explained by nothing— a flip-flop; so, it's not an answer.

[melanie]

I don't know how many times i've told you this Austin, but there are no answers, there are only questions. — Mel

However, this is an answer:

Austin, the answers are already in the questions.. there can only be one question ''Who am I'' ? that question cannot be answered, for it would lead to further question ''Who's asking'' ? so the answer would never come would it?
If there are no answers, where or what is the question? the answer is in the question, mainly, there isn't one.

I said everything is consciousness, i didn't say why or how everything is consciousness, or where it originated from. — MelFrom the Dreamer Guy.You (and some) have it that Life explains life, but that Life is explained by nothing— a flip-flop; so, it's not an answer.

Where does beingness begin and end?

The phantom mind cuts-up what cannot be cut-up.

What else can this mind be, but already this Nothingness ?

[melanie]

I wonder what a quantum mind would be like, at the speed of light. Not a hard disc, but something more organic, and perhaps primal.

Maybe like this.......


When the two hemispheres of the brain works in synchronicity and the bridge between them (pineal gland) is activated, the information is exchanging freely between them – two ways.

This way we get a simultaneously perception BOTH of time/timeless, finite/infinity, of an unique NOW point of Awareness appearing BOTH as unique as well Pure Awareness - Full Consciousness.

The same way as the branch of a tree just Knows it is appear BOTH as an unique branch as well as a part of the tree.

Every unique point of Awareness is a different dream/story, meaning full circle of birth,death and a new rebirth as a new point of Awareness, new dream/story…and so go on and on…

Dream within dreams, within dreams.



Reality is consciousness and all is sound, light and energy.
'thoughts' which are movements of consciousness move faster than the speed of light.
You are that consciousness.

The speed of light is actually the zero energy point.

IOW's 'nothing moves'

[austintorn@aol.com]

The pineal grand theory is an old thing by Descartes.

Consciousness happens because information gives rise to it. Not just any old information, but that of the neurological. So, information has a dual nature. Done.

As for life evolving, there were many little accumulations, upon a stable platform,occurring over billions upon billions of years.

Have any tough questions?

[melanie]

As for life evolving, there were many little accumulations, upon a stable platform,occurring over billions upon billions of years.

The whole of creation manifests itself into being all at once right here right now as a mind construct.

The now prior to billions of years ago is the same now billions of years forward - iow's nothings changed or moved.

The 'apparent' movement of 'things' are the appearances of that which never moves an inch and is no 'thing'.

[melanie]

Consciousness happens because information gives rise to it. Not just any old information, but that of the neurological. So, information has a dual nature. Done.

I think you'll find consciousness gives rise to information, as information is unconscious.
When awareness knows sensation consciousness is born.