[Guille]

Originally Posted by Graybeard Guille ...... Nature abhors a straight line ..... & ..... Nature abhors a vacuum .... This was a light hearted humorous reply ... not meant to be serious These are common sayings in Australia ..... They are sort of proverbs. They don't have any scientific basis. I think thay have arisen because it is almost impossible to find a straight line in nature unless man has been present. As you said in your post ... straight lines are almost impossible to find ... diminishing perspectives create curves. Cheers Greg!

oh, I see.

But it's not that we humans don't find it, or that nature hides it somewhere, it's that itself doesn't exist, the straight line, I mean. Only curves are what there is.

[dleviwing]

(your PM) thanks for your comments on the vortex, but would there not be just waves of disturbance, which would all balance out as does the sea when the wind drops!

Michael;
If you take a closer look at cosmological vortices you will notice that they come about by the rotation of a central mass that is most commonly spherical. I would interpret the vortex as the interactions of a spinning sphere that bonds with its environmental surroundings and produces the spiral shape. This can also apply to the rotating subatomic particles.

BTW, what are you referring to as the humble Vortex?
Best regards;
Dave

[Guille]

Originally Posted by SimpleKid18 Pues ya lo se Guille! Do you think that a vortex can be interpreted as a loop as it is continually moving around back to the same point in space-time? Another interesting thing that has been found is that stars at different radial points in the galaxies are moving at the same speed, not what one would expect. We would expect to see the stars near the centre of a galaxy moving faster than those on the outside because of the increased gravitational density?

Another one that knows spanish? Is it in fashion or something?

Now. It depends in what you mean by "Loop" in that context. For example, maybe if it's (if any) fundamental particles form loops themselves, or just it is a loop?

About the star's speed, I hadn't hear dit before, it makes one think. Maybe there are other variables or events that are affecting this and that haven't been taken in account or discovered? For example, amybe the avarage mass of a star near the centre is more than those far away....???

[mkirkpatrick]

On looking deeper into the spiral it occurs to me that there is something deeper
going on,and seems to suggest that there is two motions occuring simultaneously,one a centifugal force,and the othera centripetal force.one an
outward directing force,the other an inward directing force,creating a perfect
balance and symetry,the manifested matter(energy)being the centifugal force.
(the outer ratation)and the centripetal force (inner rotation)being unmanifested
energy!potential.Another way of expressing this would be that the outer is
of this dimension,and the inner from another dimension,one inter-acting with the
other via this dimensional doorway,on the atomic,and sub-atomic levels.There
is a real sense of perfect economy and intelligence present within the swirl?

king regards michael.

[dleviwing]

Michael;
I have a concept that states that matter has a bonding property that as uniform motion increases, this property will increase and collapse the substance. The spiral motion of the vortex is uniform motion. Compared to this bonding property, centrifugal forces and centripetal forces would have little influence on the fundamental substance. They only function effectively with atomic structured matter.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Michael; I have a concept that states that matter has a bonding property that as uniform motion increases, this property will increase and collapse the substance. The spiral motion of the vortex is uniform motion. Compared to this bonding property, centrifugal forces and centripetal forces would have little influence on the fundamental substance. They only function effectively with atomic structured matter.

We must differ on this one Dave,I have a concept that says otherwise.
remember thatwhat you Know are only theories,not absolute proven facts.
the vortex is perfect economy.it informs the universe,with its presence,and Outforms it with its departure!
kind regards michael.

[SimpleKid18]

[quote=mkirkpatrick]On looking deeper into the spiral it occurs to me that there is something deeper
going on,and seems to suggest that there is two motions occuring simultaneously,one a centifugal force,and the othera centripetal force.one an
outward directing force,the other an inward directing force,creating a perfect
balance and symetry,the manifested matter(energy)being the centifugal force.
(the outer ratation)and the centripetal force (inner rotation)being unmanifested
energy!potential.Another way of expressing this would be that the outer is
of this dimension,and the inner from another dimension,one inter-acting with the
other via this dimensional doorway,on the atomic,and sub-atomic levels.There
is a real sense of perfect economy and intelligence present within the swirl?QUOTE]

Yes Micheal, this is an idea which I have had for a long time. If you place two magnets next to each other in space, where there is no gravity, whilst the magnetic waves attract and repel each other, they will be constantly be bouncing off each other. That would be a perfect balance. The stars around the centre of the galaxy move equally as fast as the ones on the outside of the galaxy because they all have the same amount of force both pushing and pulling on them- an effect which can be seen with simple fridge magnets. No intelligence present, only the laws of magnets following the laws of physics.

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick We must differ on this one Dave,I have a concept that says otherwise. remember thatwhat you Know are only theories,not absolute proven facts. the vortex is perfect economy.it informs the universe,with its presence,and Outforms it with its departure! kind regards michael.

Michael;
My concepts are based on physical observation and the collection of measured data. My concepts can explain the data, yours cannot.
Mythology only worked 3000 years ago.
Best wishes;
Dave

PS: Simplekid18: You need to learn some real science.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Michael; My concepts are based on physical observation and the collection of measured data. My concepts can explain the data, yours cannot. Mythology only worked 3000 years ago. Best wishes; Dave PS: Simplekid18: You need to learn some real science.

3000 years ago Dave,cetain folk knew far more about Reality,than
science does today,science is an ignorant child,compared to the wisdom of
old.But I suppose one makes his bed and slumbers accordingly!

kind regards michael.

[dleviwing]

Michael;
In many ways I can agree; however though the wisdom of science is failing, the knowledge of science is well beyond our ancestors.
Regards;
Dave