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    Why Newton’s 3rd law fails?

    Why Newton’s 3rd law fails inside a black-hole? To answer it is to clarify the 3rd law. As stated: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This statement seems to imply that for a universe filled with singular quantized inactive matter, the second force, the reaction, does not exist until the first force, the action exists. The question is what is the cause of this first action? In term of matter forces such as gravity and inertial force, one suggestion is that matter can create its own force. Therefore the 3rd law is really a law about secondary forces. But it appears that only primary forces can exist inside black-holes. Furthermore only one primary force can be found within a black-hole. The question is then how do two black-holes interact? Since no black-hole can be found within another black-hole it means that primary forces are repulsive. And they can be repulsive if and only if they are equal in magnitude. If one primary force is weaker than its neighboring primary force then the weaker force transforms into a secondary force and becomes attracted toward the stronger primary force.
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    The fundamental statement in it all is 'matter can create it's own force'. If it's true, then we need a third factor, such as your description of secondary forces and repulsive primary forces. But if it's false, then just need to explain the following: As all matter has energy, then the matter automatically creates force when the energy is used, by motion, for example. Now if a black hole is completely stopped and doesn't move, then there is no force in it, this is logical. Or maybe there is a force but it is corresponded by an opposite equal force as the 3rd law states.
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    blackhole

    Quote Originally Posted by GUILLE
    Now if a black hole is completelly stopped and doesn't move, then there is no force in it, this is logical.
    I couldn't think of anything that can stop a blackhole from moving. Blackhole is known to swallow matter and radiation. it doesn't need to move, it just keep on eating and eating and eating...and getting fatter and fatter. Although Hawking said that radiation can still escape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioLao
    I couldn't think of anything that can stop a blackhole from moving. Blackhole is known to swallow matter and radiation. it doesn't need to move, it just keep on eating and eating and eating...and getting fatter and fatter. Although Hawking said that radiation can still escape.
    Hawking could have no tell and keep his mouth closed, at least in that way we could have the illusion of knowing about black holes. What is this radiation made of?
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    photons

    Quote Originally Posted by GUILLE
    What is this radiation made of?
    The radiation is made of plain regular magnanimous photons, virtual photons to be exact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioLao
    The radiation is made of plain regular magnanimous photons, virtual photons to be exact.
    Let me think. Gravitational attraction leads to matter-antimatter crash due to electric charges letting go electromagnetic waves. In terms of time, then we are going from a force to the future back to a force of the past by charges, which are the residuals of history, everything that went down, which I believe is everything, history itself has come down. This is, we are going forward in time and yet it is going backwards, eliminating the history, re-writing it, but this is getting into Baudrillard's philosophy. Let's go back to physics.
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    an F in philosophy

    Quote Originally Posted by GUILLE
    but this is getting into Baudrillard's philosophy. Let's go back to physics.
    The secret is out that I got an F in philosophy in 1971 and also got Ds in quantum physics but have never move away from physics ever since. But this time, there will be no more academic police to give me more of these Ds or Fs citations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioLao
    The secret is out that I got an F in philosophy in 1971 and also got Ds in quantum physics but have never move away from physics ever since. But this time, there will be no more academic police to give me more of these Ds or Fs citations.
    Didn't you enjoy the classes, or were you just bad at them?

    Anyway once I saw a list of the greatest geniuses in arts, philosophy and science that had got very bad grades in school or in university, there were many. Really many.
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    no enjoyment

    Quote Originally Posted by GUILLE
    Didn't you enjoy the classes, or were yo just bad at them?
    I also got an F in advanced multivariate calculus. No. I did not enjoy most of the classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioLao
    I also got an F in advanced multivariate calculus. No. I did not enjoy most of the classes.
    Why did you study physics then?

    Coming back to the theme, do the electrons in black holes or any other antimatter make magnetism?

 

 
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