[AntonioLao]

Pauli Exclusion Principle does not allow the formation of black holes. Yet news about them keeps popping up in Scientific American, Discover, Astronomy, Sky and Telescope, and many other science news magazines. A large volume of research papers have titles containing the word ‘black hole’. However, observationally, only strong evidence suggested their existence, mainly in binary stars systems and intense x-ray sources. Do they really exist?

One will never know unless one gets close to it. As much as the desire to come in contact with it, theorists already set a point of no return as the ‘event horizon’. This control volume is at a Schwarzschild radius off the center. Once the approach is less it is supposedly downhill all the way. Now, this also seems analogous to free fall and Einstein’s principle of equivalence says that the falling body should feel weightless or the same as no force of attraction. Again, this contradicts Newton’s 3rd law if there is no action there cannot be any reaction. So where does the body really go?

More embarrassing is the fact that general relativity is based on the idea of mass derived from neutral atoms. However, matter at the singular level of elementary particles possesses not only electric charge but color charge as well. Neutron stars are supposedly made of neutrons and they are steps closer to becoming black holes. Nevertheless, at smaller distances, neutrons are made from quarks having both electric and color charge.

Fortunately, there are three elementary particles belonging to the lepton families that are all neutral (no electric nor color charge) and their existence verified by high energy experiments with the exception that theory says they don’t congregate at low temperature. But at extremely high temperature they should but there is no theory to describe it. These are the electron neutrinos, the muon neutrinos, and the tau neutrinos. The problem is that nobody really knows how much they weigh?

[mkirkpatrick]

I shall buy a set of scales Antonio and weigh the blighters for you,those dam muon neutrinos and their mates the tau bunch,guess that they would weigh less than that.and
more than this.

Black holes seem portals into another dimension,prehaps the etheric-universe or other
wise called the anti-matter universe.

regards michael.

[michellemfry]

Three nearly massless closely related particles. So many of them out there, you would be wasting your life trying to quantitate their total population.
Here's a fun thought, what if one two or all were suddenly endowed with mass. After all, noone really knows when the masses get passed into a particle or absorbed into it, or maybe it jealously steals some other particles mass. And carries it away just as it does for all those little energy amounts that led us to their existence in the first place.
I shouln't tell you this, but I once had a tiny moment where I thought I heard Enrico fermi falling again and trying to express it to anyone who would listen.
Fermi is one of my heroes from yesterday.
Later,

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Nor does anyone truly know how much a photon weighs, or its true size or shape___maybe it's the former of all black holes...? It's black, so far...?

Lloyd

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Pauli Exclusion Principle does not allow the formation of black holes. Yet news about them keeps popping up in Scientific American, Discover, Astronomy, Sky and Telescope, and many other science news magazines. A large volume of research papers have titles containing the word ‘black hole’. However, observationally, only strong evidence suggested their existence, mainly in binary stars systems and intense x-ray sources. Do they really exist? One will never know unless one gets close to it. As much as the desire to come in contact with it, theorists already set a point of no return as the ‘event horizon’. This control volume is at a Schwarzschild radius off the center. Once the approach is less it is supposedly downhill all the way. Now, this also seems analogous to free fall and Einstein’s principle of equivalence says that the falling body should feel weightless or the same as no force of attraction. Again, this contradicts Newton’s 3rd law if there is no action there cannot be any reaction. So where does the body really go? More embarrassing is the fact that general relativity is based on the idea of mass derived from neutral atoms. However, matter at the singular level of elementary particles possesses not only electric charge but color charge as well. Neutron stars are supposedly made of neutrons and they are steps closer to becoming black holes. Nevertheless, at smaller distances, neutrons are made from quarks having both electric and color charge. Fortunately, there are three elementary particles belonging to the lepton families that are all neutral (no electric nor color charge) and their existence verified by high energy experiments with the exception that theory says they don’t congregate at low temperature. But at extremely high temperature they should but there is no theory to describe it. These are the electron neutrinos, the muon neutrinos, and the tau neutrinos. The problem is that nobody really knows how much they weigh?

[michellemfry]

[quote=michellemfry3142;27885]Three nearly massless closely related particles. So many of them out there, you would be wasting your life trying to quantitate their total population.
Here's a fun thought, what if one two or all were suddenly endowed with mass. After all, noone really knows when the masses get passed into a particle or absorbed into it, or maybe it jealously steals some other particles mass. And carries it away just as it does for all those little energy amounts that led us to their existence in the first place.

[michellemfry]

I was reading about the rings of the gas giants, and I was wondering, what if the rings were there first, and the planet either passed into an inescapable ring of curvature and gravity that seems to handle anything that might pass through, since it is immeasurable.
Then some special thing happens. A planet emerges. Filling up the black holes direction of indiscriminate consumption. Maybe even converting it's behavior from monster to artistic director of planetary elements, weather, and defense against bombardmant with debris.
Am I doing that science fiction thing again? sorry....

[michellemfry]

Oh yeah, that would make these things a white hole, out of a black hole. Hmmm....

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by michellemfry3142 what if one two or all were suddenly endowed with mass.

If this is true then the problem of the missing mass is solved. See http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/missmass.htm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

[mkirkpatrick]

I tend to think of black holes as doorways to the astral/etheric plane,the home of dark matter!


regards michael.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick I tend to think of black holes as doorways to the astral/etheric plane,the home of dark matter

By their descriptions these doorways are really trapdoors. Once go in no one can come back out. But if we need to harness energy from them then we must find a way to escape these traps: go in, get energy, come back out, done and be happy.