[mkirkpatrick]

Welcome back Yogi,and manythanks for the input,yes it is exceedingly difficult to
imagine being (whole) both subject and object,and even more?As you so rightly point
out three dimensions are sometimes hard to get your head around.

But if we are to find absolute,we must try!

regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

relaxation of the body and resting the mind are two different aspects, which our biological clock and conscious (mind) experience. if we learn the technique of 'resting' the mind, we sure shall find the realms hereto not experienced by the body-organ. give it a try, you won't rue the time, as wasted, but a fruitful sojourn awaits to bloom! love&regards.ls.

[Eric]

Absolute rest or still, is something that can only be given to us, not achieved by us.

The Absolute itself, is beyond 3D. It is 0D.

[r.p.bibra]

There is no absolute state in the ephemeral world. Steadiness of mind too is not easy. the concentration of mind on one object is not more than 1.5sec.only adept ascetics can prolong their power of concentration with practice, but it can be of 24hrs.the dream state is beyond their control.

Absolute state connotes elimination of mind! Is that possible? Yogis in east have learnt to 'bypass' the mind and seek realms beyond. But this is not advisable, as mind, though latent, is still active/live; whenever need be it will resurge. So their methodological is not recommended.

Another way to ‘rest’ the mind is to employ its tool of self-enquiry. Here too the seeker is required to expand his/her conscious from gross level to casual state, i.e., cosmic-consciousness. It is a tall order, but a attainable state! But this state too is not that of ‘Absolute”. Because what has been attained is the consciousness of the material world, i.e. the “knowledge/intelligence of the Jagath (Universe)?

Why ‘Absolute’ is not attainable? Because in the ephemeral world, the mind is the master-controller! Its elimination connotes the end of ‘mind’ i.e. the material world itself. As minds master is mind itself. It is its own creator, sustainer and annihilator too. Its end implies, its knowledge; and its knowledge is that its existence is transient, and its ‘reality’ is in its conscious memory of its ‘existence’. ls

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra

There is no absolute state in the ephemeral world.

How can we use mathematical logic to support this statement?

[yogi]

Originally Posted by Eric

Absolute rest or still, is something that can only be given to us, not achieved by us.

The Absolute itself, is beyond 3D. It is 0D.

a small correction

The Absolute itself, is beyond 3D. we as 0d combined infinitely make that absolute and therefore absolute is infinite- D. more about absolute -

The Absolute Reality which is the fundamental cause of the universe and all beings is full (beyond all limitations which can be caused by time, space, and material). It is pure, free indivisible and homogeneous Consciousness. The individual self (jiva) which appears limited by time, space, and material, or name and form, is also full, pure, free, indivisible and homogeneous Consciousness. The individual Consciousness (self) which is full has come from that Absolute Consciousness which is also full. Here comes a discrepancy. How can something full come from something that is also full and still both remain full? This disparity is solved by the illustration of space. Space is recognized as full, free, pure, boundless, unattached, all-pervading, indivisible and homogeneous. When a barrier is erected in space, we say the space is divided and call it "room space, limited space," etc. If there is dust or contamination in the room, we say the space in the room is dusty or impure. We all know that space cannot be divided or become impure. It is always full, free, pure and indivisible. The divisions are assumed due to the barriers we construct in space. Similar is the nature of the Absolute Consciousness which is the Supreme Reality. Nothing can ever come from It. It alone exists. The separate individuality which one feels is due to the limiting adjuncts of body-mind complex which are, in reality, illusory appearances like dream objects or mirage seen in a desert or a rope mistakenly seen as a snake in dim light. When viewed in its real nature as Pure Consciousness alone, divested of its limitations, the individual Self is known to be one and the same Absolute Consciousness.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao

How can we use mathematical logic to support this statement?

Mathematical logic already supports it. What I mean by that, is there is NO ABSOLUTE in mathematics.

I've been having an absurd discussion with some fellows at Cambridge, who think that by having an "infinite set" they have actually dealt with infinity and that the 1 and 0 they use are not approximations.

They are convinced that an axiom leading to theorums ACTUALLY PROVES SOMETHING.

I've made the following statement and they won't discuss it.

"There is no way to get from 0 to 1 or 1 to 0, without assuming one of them. And even then, you can not get to the other.

I've also stated that there is no way without an assumption, for a dimensionless point to take on size, become a line, a circle, etc.

They seem to think that physics runs into "problematic infinities", but not mathematics.

There ARE an ABSOLUTE 1 AND 0 and TWO DIMENSIONLESS POINTS that are GREATER THAN INFINITY.

They CAN be arrived at WITHOUT ASSUMPTION, but the 0 is INSIDE the 1 and one dimensionless point is INSIDE the other.

I can state the proof with words, but that's the extent of it.

Originally Posted by yogi

The Absolute itself, is beyond 3D. we as 0d combined infinitely make that absolute and therefore absolute is infinite- D.

It is not "I", "you", "we", or "anything else" in any combination, that makes the absolute. The whole is always greater than the sum of it's parts.

Even an INFINITE SUM. Although, "an infinite sum" is an oxymoron.

The Absolute is THE ONE with NO ZERO outside of it. THE DIMENSIONLESS POINT with NO SPATIAL EXTENT outside of it.

Infinity is much less of a principle than this.

[yogi]

Eric,

spiritual math is this-

infinite - infinite = infinite (qualitatively speaking)

Bhagavad Gita has a chapter which talks about this and also about "Field"
and " Knower of the field" equivalent to observer and phenomena in science.

another spiritual math is -
0 + 0 + -------- infinite times = infinite (GOD or Absolute)
in science 0+0+0+0 --------- infinite times = 0.
if you plug this in dimensions there is no 0 dimension. it negates the existence of 0. because 0 d can never add up to 1 or more dimensions.

sincerely,
yogi

[mkirkpatrick]

Absolute acceptance of all that You are,absolute full realization of being,would result in a
melting of illusary skins,a de-form-ulation of appearance,a stilling of all motion,and finally
as the absolute intensity of the absolute reality of what you really are,hit-home,you would
die,as what you were,and be reborn as it IS!

Then there would be absolute rest,eternal bliss.All searching would cease forever.


regards michael.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by Eric

"There is no way to get from 0 to 1 or 1 to 0, without assuming one of them. And even then, you can not get to the other.

Is this the reason why a theory for a quantum of mass could not be formulated?