searching for absolute rest

[AntonioLao]

Simultaneity is a very complicated word in mathematics and physics. The reason is its intimate relation to an absolute frame of reference that is motionless. Searching for it became the lifetime endeavor of many people.

Einstein tried but failed. Nevertheless, his conclusion from special theory of relativity is that simultaneity does not exist for all inertial frames moving uniformly relative to each other. But if two or more of these are moving along a straight line at constant speed then they are relatively at rest with each other. This describes perfectly the frames for all light waves and photons but not for mass particles.

In order to postulate an absolute frame for mass particles, Einstein spent ten more years working out his general theory which was finally resolved by his Principle of General Covariance in 1915.

What is general covariance? It is an alternate version of the Principle of Equivalence. At face value it has to do solely with the coordinate systems of transformations such that the form of the equations using them remains invariance. That is equations that are independent of any coordinate systems. Regardless of this assertion, the generalized coordinates were taken from absolute differential calculus of tensor analysis. Tensor analysis deals with infinitesimal changes but nonetheless it was used by Einstein to solve his global large scale theory of gravity. It must be noted that general relativity, in spite of its accurate predictions, never resolved the question implied by Mach’s principle. Mach’s principle is a non-mathematical principle that asserts the interaction between the small and the large which were separated by enormous distances.

[Guille]

If there is aboslute rest there must be no time therefore infinite gravity and infinite speed and infinite energy. And if energy is infinite, then the laws of thermodynamics break. And as we assume they are right, then we must guess it is impossible to achieve for absolute rest. However, politicians are always at absolute rest, doing nothing. You may also search for absolute rest in the rest of the absolute. That last thing is supposed to be a joke, but I guess not very funny.

[mkirkpatrick]

Such an excellent thread starter Antonio,back of all motion,lies motionlessness
such would logic dictate,the paradox of the manifest,is that there also must
be the un-manifest.And the paradox suggests,very strongly,that all motion
Arises in the motionlessness state.Look forward to other input.


regards michael.

[AntonioLao]

Absolute rest is only realizable if and only if the total linear momentum of the Universe is zero. This can be proved by space-time quantum of square of energy.

[mkirkpatrick]

Absolute rest is only realizable if and only if the total linear momentum of the Universe is zero. This can be proved by space-time quantum of square of energy.

Yes quite so Antonio,but what about if you outside of this universe,whatset of laws doyou adhere to then?

kind regards michael.

[AntonioLao]

but what about if you outside of this universe

For a quantum universe, there is no outside or inside just like a one-sided Moebius strip.

[mkirkpatrick]

For a quantum universe, there is no outside or inside just like a one-sided Moebius strip.

That might well be so Antonio,however,if you apply just simple logic to this idea,what is
very strongly suggested,is that "back of all motion lies motionlessness"!What you are
discribing is the actions of the relative universe,"the home of dear old Moebius" and his
precious strip!
That as you well know Antonio is the fully realised and actioned energised universe,,that
has realised its "potential",but there is also the unrealised absolute void of Beinglessness
where all is absolutely still!AN absolute unknowable void of unrealised potentuality.

regards michael.

[Nobody]

"Absolute rest is only realizable if and only if the total linear momentum of the Universe is zero. This can be proved by space-time quantum of square of energy."

I don't think Einstein failed, but like all other physicists considered only one monopolar singularity to form all relative frames.

Analogies aren't always accurate, but helpful to give a picture of what is being referred to. One that can be applied here I think is a solid pole (absolute frame) connecting two particles whereby any motion of one simultaneously and proportionately affects the other regardless of distance. Einstein et al. would consider this spooky because they thought in terms of effectual changes being propagated through waves in spacetime, not in terms all interactions being dependent upon and affecting all others.

All macroscopic objects and interactions being dependent upon an infinite number of monopoles, connects all microscopic objects at beyond c instead of c. So any interaction regardless of where the system is effects all other systems. Sort of like the butterfly effect, yet including the absolute frame. In other words, when you move, you immediately change the entire universe.

[AntonioLao]

I don't think Einstein failed, but like all other physicists considered only one monopolar singularity to form all relative frames.

But reality is definitely dipolar. A complete theory must be able to describe both polarities.

[mkirkpatrick]

Yes Antonio it must be dipolar,which really means "it is both this and that"relating to two
poles instead of one!What then are these poles,Ying and yang,with a neutral to balance
the two.

Where though will we find absolute rest? Stillness though that is another thing,you will
find stillness in the subatomic vortex,exactly as you find a stillness within the eye of the
storm-hurricane.

Stillness however is not absolute rest,for that you need to be atonement within the
absolute.

regards michael.