[pagan3142]

If you use the table as a symbol, then you must pair everything on the table.
For example black=white , good =eveil, pepper=salt, God=Devil, etc.
You get the Idea.
The things that are not on the table are the things we are looking for.
Everything we know is on the Table,
Evereything we don't know is not on the table yet.
These are the things some of us are looking for or trying to understand.
Good post ,am keeping a close eye on this discussion.

[baudrunner]

Empty nest theory is empty.

[pagan3142]

Originally Posted by baudrunner Empty nest theory is empty.

Empty nest theory or not my assessment is valid .we only look at what is on the table . The things we miss or don't understand yet are not on the table for discussion.When was the last time you looked out your front door and saw exactly what you wanted to see ?
Not what is actually there that you are missing ?

[baudrunner]

When was the last time you looked out your front door and saw exactly what you wanted to see ? Not what is actually there that you are missing ?

You know, there are even people who want to live in Walt Disney World so that they can see what they want to see out of their front doors. I for one would soon tire of the shallowness of such a scene. I do not see out of my front door what I do not expect, for that is the way of philosophers and mathematicians who toy with impractical scenarios.

What is missing from the description of the empty nest scenario is the Cuckoo factor. But I can see it plain as day, not because I want to, but because it is not there.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Fredrick; Anyone who attempts to find an analogy of the Big Bang and the state of existence prior to it, usually will conclude one of two philosophical paradigms; scientific or theological. Combining these concepts to one idea results in a paradigm of a consciousness of the universe itself. Your idea seems to suggest an elasticity between the nothingness and the physical manifestation of existence that can be referred to as pressure. Is the "Empty Nest" possible? – I would have to say of course it is if you can show fundamental laws of physics that provide functionality to this process. Personally I believe that the laws of nature that existed before the Big Bang are the real laws of physics and aRE today the same as they were then.

David I want to personally thank you for giving me a (brilliant)idea!
That of linking the two philosophical paradigms together,into one whole,and
starting with the premise that the universe is aware=conscious,I am at this very moment thinking of a new word,to coin a phrase.
thanks again dave,
regards michael.

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick A circle with a one in the centre,this to me represents the "idea" of on and off!The one in the middle is on,and we are surfing its wave,the circle is off and is outside of this manifested universe.One and none is where it all begun?

Hi Michael, funny, you seem to state the opposite of what I am trying to state with Empty Nest, or do you? I will use symbols and words too to picture what I have in mind. I have to use 1 as the single symbol for what existed prior to our universe, and 1 and 0 as the symbols that exist in large quantities in our current universe. Before the Big Bang, there was no such thing as 0; and only because of 0 did our universe come into being for breaking the 1 and delivering in that act many 1s and 0s. Naturally you can replace these symbols with words like absolute unity that existed before the Big Bang, both in space and time, and that unity got eliminated through the working of disconnection. Unity destroyed, it sounds almost like a romance novel, but the new ruler is diversity; each separate unity is now found only on the smaller levels, with only limited means to unite with others. Possibly separate units can be found on all levels — except on that single largest of levels.

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by pagan3142 If you use the table as a symbol, then you must pair everything on the table. For example black=white , good =eveil, pepper=salt, God=Devil, etc.

Colors can be a good example to deliver a fuller picture. Black is often regarded as the opposite of white. However, when black is indeed that phenomenon of no reflection of light, then not just white, but all colors can be placed in opposition to black. So, while we normally say that red and green are each other's opposites, black is also the opposite of red (reflection v. no reflection of light) and similarly of green. You may want to replace black with 0, and the colors with specific binary combinations of 1s and 0s. White would then be a single 1 (or multiple 1s).

The question is not what is NOT on the table (or missing outside our frontdoor; good example, baudrunner), but how do we perceive and acknowledge that what is on the table. It is what it is, but how do we look at it? And is there more than one way to look at it?

Empty Nest is Empty, that's the whole point; it is the unpropelled potential, while the surrounding potential all gets propelled and therefore materializes.

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by baudrunner Empty nest theory is empty.

It appears that all of a sudden there is a lot of attention for a theory that resembles Empty Nest in many aspects. at http://www.physorg.com/news89399974.html you can read how Chapel Hill physicists have come up with the cyclic model. Naturally, the model of expansion and contraction has been proposed before (in the thirties of the last century). Yet what it has in common with the Empty Nest model is that there is no center to our universe at no point in time (no pun intended). Also, I have provided mathematical information to substantiate my proposal.

While Dr. Paul Frampton, Louis J. Rubin Jr. and co-author Lauris Baum provide interesting information about the universe in such a cyclical state, I have provided much the same information, though my idea is not identical to theirs.

Empty Nest is the same as the cyclic model in that there is no singular center to the beginning, yet it is the same as the Big Bang in that it happened only once, and our universal outward motion is ongoing.

As said, I even have mathematical evidence for it, which is part of my book In Search of a Cyclops with the first two chapters available for free online at http://www.pentapublishing.com

I have placed the chapter that contains the mathematical evidence temporary on this page http://www.pentapublishing.com/InformationMath.html so you can take a look at it. The chapter contains a good amount of metaphysical information as well, since it is written for both the lay-person as the scientist.

I welcome serious discussion.

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