[SinJin]

Ok, I have two questions here involving entropy and the beginning and end of the universe -

1) According to inflationary theory, the universe started off with the lowest entropy. Does this mean that whatever the universe came from had the lowest entropy?

2) Is it possible (aside from a random fluctuation) for something to jump from maximum entropy to lowest entropy? As if something reaches such a high disorder that it becomes perfectly ordered?

[Guille]

Sinjin,

For question 2, I think Dirac had a theory that if something achieves maximum disorder, it can only cahnge to order, and that if it happens a certain number of times, one of those times will eventually be from total disorder to order (maybe not completel but approaching it). Everything indicates that Dirac was correct.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by SinJin Ok, I have two questions here involving entropy and the beginning and end of the universe - 1) According to inflationary theory, the universe started off with the lowest entropy. Does this mean that whatever the universe came from had the lowest entropy? 2) Is it possible (aside from a random fluctuation) for something to jump from maximum entropy to lowest entropy? As if something reaches such a high disorder that it becomes perfectly ordered?

Sinjin,Maybe it started with an idea,which became manifested thought,and
will end with a memory of mindful intention??


kind regards michael.

[SinJin]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Sinjin,Maybe it started with an idea,which became manifested thought,and will end with a memory of mindful intention?? kind regards michael.

I don't understand that Michael, could you please explain it more? Thanks.

[dleviwing]

The lowest state of entropy is when the substance of the universe had only one directional vector of motion. This is the minimum level of the thermodynamic degree of freedom. Maximum disorder entropy would occur when all the substance (mass) of the universe is converted to the a single wavelength background radiation which would actually be order in the sense that it would be perfect wave symmetry just like a perfect particle. Actually the mass of the universe seems to be condensing to a lower level of degree of freedom and thus decreasing entropy rather than increasing to disorder.
See “The Genesis Hypothesis” Thread http://www.toequest.com/forum/emerge...othesis-5.html

[SinJin]

Originally Posted by dleviwing The lowest state of entropy is when the substance of the universe had only one directional vector of motion.

So if the universe is moving towards lower entropy, will it eventually reach zero entropy? And if so, would this be the one directional vector you're talking about, or would there be no directional vector at zero entropy?

Originally Posted by dleviwing Actually the mass of the universe seems to be condensing to a lower level of degree of freedom and thus decreasing entropy rather than increasing to disorder.

What is this last degree of freedom you mention? Are you attributing this "one directional vector of motion" to a final state the universe will obtain? If so, could this final state be a heat death? Or, conversly, could it be a state of maximum energy?

[dleviwing]

Sinjin;
Your questions probably require a much more longwinded explanation, but here’s a short version.

Originally Posted by Sinjin So if the universe is moving towards lower entropy, will it eventually reach zero entropy? And if so, would this be the one directional vector you're talking about, or would there be no directional vector at zero entropy?

Zero entropy infers a state of zero degree of freedom. I view motion of matter as an absolute and thus conserved. This is just another way of saying “conservation of energy”. Any quantity of matter that is in a state of unity motion or one direction of motion will condense to a perfect solid and will appear to have infinite density and mass according to our current mathematics.

Originally Posted by Sinjin What is this last degree of freedom you mention? Are you attributing this "one directional vector of motion" to a final state the universe will obtain? If so, could this final state be a heat death? Or, conversely, could it be a state of maximum energy?

The universe is expanding due to an event that caused the unity motion to be redistributed in many directions of degree of freedom. This is primarily the vibrations of matter as in the expansion and condensing or wave function of matter. If the universe is truly an open universe, then the matter that condenses to particle structures will form fragments such as supper dense black holes with both linear and angular momentum and thus their entropy will stop at that point.

As far as a state of maximum energy is concerned, it should be noted that energy is conserved due to the fact that motion is conserved. Matter that condenses to its minimum level of entropy will be in a state of maximum “Potential Energy”.

These are only my conclusion of the observational data and may not fully correspond to current accepted science text. I don’t agree with the Big Bang scenario.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by SinJin I don't understand that Michael, could you please explain it more? Thanks.

SinJin,It would be a pleasure to explain,albeit a little controversial to "certain"
members on this forum,the beginning of universal manifestation,began as an
"idea" the idea was then manifested as a thought "form",which in turn "informed" and manifested itself as energy,energy being the outworking of
absolute intention,focussed on manifestation.The intention is and remains
focussed,when the cycle concludes,as it "always"does then the intention
is withdrawn,and the process of obscuration commences,all that is manifested is withdrawn back into the noumena,and is no more!Until the
next cycle that is?

kindest regards michael.

[SinJin]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick SinJin,It would be a pleasure to explain,albeit a little controversial to "certain" members on this forum,the beginning of universal manifestation,began as an "idea" the idea was then manifested as a thought "form",which in turn "informed" and manifested itself as energy,energy being the outworking of absolute intention,focussed on manifestation.The intention is and remains focussed,when the cycle concludes,as it "always"does then the intention is withdrawn,and the process of obscuration commences,all that is manifested is withdrawn back into the noumena,and is no more!Until the next cycle that is? kindest regards michael.

So basically what you're saying is that the universe was created as a dream of some conscious being? That is what I've gathered from your explanation. Much like a thought a human would have. An idea begins in someone's mind, a theme runs throughout the idea, carrying it along, and then the idea is concluded. Is this similar to what you're saying?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by SinJin So basically what you're saying is that the universe was created as a dream of some conscious being? That is what I've gathered from your explanation. Much like a thought a human would have. An idea begins in someone's mind, a theme runs throughout the idea, carrying it along, and then the idea is concluded. Is this similar to what you're saying?

Sinjin,yes that is what I am saying,although I would not see it as a dream,but
could well go with that interpretation,If you have followed the thread cons-
is the key to the TOE,that is basically the underlying principle of the theory,
and if you look at the holographic universe,and the elegant universe,plus
several more,you will see that many in the front line of physics are thinking
very similar thoughts as well.

kind regards michael.