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Post Big Bang? - 08-06-2006, 02:14 AM

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Questioning the Big Bang


A handful of researchers posit an alternative theory of origin — the universe has no beginning

By William Orem
(August 2, 2006)
TIMELESS THEORY: Researcher Geoffery Burbidge argues that the universe streches beyond the bounds of time.
(Source: NASA/Wikimedia Commons)



Many, if not most, people assume that certain aspects of nature’s workings are absolutely known. Outside of intelligent design circles, no modern biologist doubts the theory of evolution by natural selection; it is too well established by harmonious data across a multiplicity of fields. No credible doctor questions the germ theory of disease. And, one might think, no serious cosmologist disagrees with the standard cosmological model.

The SCM is the official designation of what is informally called “the big bang”: that relatively recent but almost universally accepted notion that the present universe is the result of a primordial fireball that occurred some 13 billion years ago in which time, space and matter were born. While significant details remain to be worked out — witness the surprise insertion of a superluminal inflationary period by cosmologist Alan Guth in the 1980s — common wisdom is that we already know, in basic form, how the universe began.

Not so, says Geoffrey Burbidge, who is a professor of physics at the University of California, San Diego. Burbidge is one of only a tiny handful of researchers who resolutely disputes the SCM more than half a century after it has reached general acceptance. As such, he is pitted against the whole of contemporary cosmological orthodoxy.

“People like a beginning,” Burbidge said, citing what he sees as an intellectual prejudice in favor of the bang that has prevented other ideas from gaining traction. “The beginning was something that was attractive because, after all, it’s in Western religion,”said Burbidge.

Though philosophically familiar, Burbidge contends, the SCM has always been observationally forced. And fealty to observation, he argues, is the cosmologist’s primary duty. “I believe that cosmology is an observational science; it is not a theoretical science,” he said.

The alternative he posits is at once simpler and stranger. For Burbidge, we live in a universe with no beginning at all.

A universe without a beginning

The widespread use of “big bang” is an irony, originally intended as a put-down. The term was coined by noted astronomer Fred Hoyle when describing the notion that the universe was born from a primeval atom. The idea of an exploding atom at the beginning of time was originally proposed by astronomer and Roman Catholic priest Georges Lemaître. While Lemaître based his work on Einstein’s equations, the primeval atom was certainly not an idea Einstein embraced, and Hoyle thought the whole thing an unreasonable extrapolation.

Burbidge began his long career in the shadow of just such debates. Now in his 80s and a recent winner of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific’s Bruce Medal, given for outstanding lifetime contributions to cosmology, he worked in the 1950s with Hoyle himself on nucleosynthesis, or the question of how heavier elements formed.

“They all began to think it must have something to do with the big bang,” Burbidge said. “All of them but Hoyle. But Hoyle in 1946 wrote a very important paper in which he showed that the form of the abundances of the heavier elements suggested that this took place under very high temperatures, and he came up with the idea that this must have taken place inside stars.” Burbidge, his wife, astrophysicist Margaret Burbidge, and experimental nuclear physicist William Fowler worked out the theory in detail based on Hoyle’s insight. The 1957 publication of their paper, has bcome so famous in scientific circles it now has its own nickname: B2FH, after the names of the contributors. Fowler would ultimately go on to receive the Nobel Prize for his contributions to the understanding of element formation, an honor Burbidge said should have included Hoyle.

It was only a few years after this period — though, according to Burbidge, the thought process was “quite disconnected” — that Hoyle, mathematical cosmologist Hermann Bondi and astronomer Thomas Gold proposed a model of cosmic history that was equally unexpected. Their model flatly disagreed with the premise of the primeval atom, proposing instead a universe with no edges in time.

For a proposal with such a pedigreed source, the resulting applause was less than resounding. Instead, what is now called the “classical steady-state theory” was simply allowed to languish as the SCM gained adherents. While B2FH had made history, the steady-state vision seemed doomed to become history.

“There are very unfortunate stories that go around,” Burbidge said, “including one by Robert Oppenheimer, who always was down on the steady state, and said, ‘Well, the only good thing that came out of it was the origin of the elements.’”

Relying on redshift

Though commonly assumed by textbooks and professionals alike, the idea of an expanding universe with a discrete beginning in time but not space is by no means intuitive. The popular image of things starting off small and exploding outward is a weak metaphor, as it almost invariably suggests a pre-existent space into which a three-dimensional object swells. More technical descriptions, such as that of the pre-bang singularity as already infinite but occupying no space, can be equally unsatisfying.

Einstein thought a steady state likely enough that he famously sought to correct for the aspects of general relativity that implied cosmic expansion, plugging that hole in his theory of gravitation with a “cosmological constant.” His assumption that the universe was static remained unchanged until 1929, when astronomer Edwin Hubble announced the observed correlation that would come to be known as Hubble’s law.

“There was one fundamental observation which completely changed everybody’s view,” Burbidge said. Hubble’s law states that redshift — the degree to which light from a receding source drifts into the red end of the spectrum — is proportional to distance, so that the farther galaxies are from Earth, the redder they appear. It is a strong indication that everything is moving away, and the farther, the faster. If galaxies are all receding, then in the past they must have been closer together. Wind the tape back far enough and they must all have been at a single point: the singularity.

However, this conclusion rests on the idea that redshift is a reliable indicator of distance and speed. Since Hubble’s time, that interpretation has been as basic to cosmology as Newton’s laws of motion. But what if it were untrue?

Questioning redshift

“Redshift only tells you how old the galaxy is that you see,” said Halton Arp, a radical astronomer at the Max Planck Institute in Germany and another who opposes the SCM. “It tells you nothing about its distance from us.”

Arp, who for almost 30 years worked at the Mount Palomar and Mount Wilson Observatories in California, has raised eyebrows by suggesting that quasars (extremely energetic astronomical objects) are not the super-distant bodies they are generally taken to be, but are in fact ejecta from the centers of active galaxies. Images he took while at the observatories, he contends, show high-redshift quasars physically connected to low-redshift galaxies — an impossibility if redshift is an accurate measure of distance.

Though extreme, Arp’s claim touches on a difficulty with which astronomy is fraught: We can’t go there, we can only look at it from here. Like the moon seeming to rest on a nearby tree, if a quasar appears proximal to a galaxy, it might actually be vastly farther away in time and space. Alternatively, Arp suggests, it could be right next door.

General consensus takes Arp’s images as visual anomalies. But then, consensus must do so, as accepting his interpretation is questioning the use of redshift as a measurment technique. And to do that is to dismantle the SCM.

“Galaxies and everything in them start from a small seed in parent galaxies, are ejected as quasars and grow through observed stages to normal galaxies such as our own,” Arp said. He has spent a good deal of time cataloging galaxies and has no compunction arguing for a position that flies against the very groundwork of his field.

“The current data overwhelmingly contradicts the current big bang, expanding-universe model in my opinion,” he said.

Oscillations without end

“My personal view is that spacetime expansion is still the best explanation for the observed redshift,” said José B. Almeida, a physicist at the University of Minho in Portugal and a member of the Alternative Cosmology Group. “However, there are many assumptions in the standard model which go beyond that and seem like ad hoc amendments to fit the theory to observations. Those I find unacceptable.”

Last June, this group hosted the first Crisis in Cosmology conference in Monção, Portugal, with a focus on the continued viability of the SCM. Several dozen physicists and astronomers argued pros and cons, including Eric Lerner, author of The Big Bang Never Happened, and Riccardo Scarpa of the European Southern Observatory.

“I personally like the idea of a beginning of the universe,” Scarpa said. “However, I am more and more convinced that the description of the evolution of the universe from the beginning to today is plain wrong.”

Almeida shares the concern, characterizing the present state of cosmology as “unsatisfactory.” If the big bang never happened, though, what are the alternatives?

“The universe is an oscillating universe,” Burbidge said. “It expands to a certain extent and then it falls back on itself, but it doesn’t fall all the way.”

This is “quasi-steady-state cosmology,” a contemporary, updated version of classical steady state. In quasi-steady state, spacetime expansion does indeed account for redshift, but vastly distinct elements are also incorporated, such as the continuous creation of matter.

“What really happens is that the pressure exerted by the created matter in the centers of galaxies is pushing against the universe, trying to contract, so it never goes back down to the dimensions where we don’t know what physics is,” Burbidge said. “We believe in an oscillating universe but we don’t believe that it goes to that extent.”

Such a pre-singularity rebound, if real, would preclude the question of quantum effects, which are the main thrust of the quantum cosmologies currently spearheaded by such luminaries as Stephen Hawking at the University of Cambridge and Thomas Hertog at CERN, the famed nuclear research facility in Switzerland. Also erased would be St. Augustine’s famous question of what God was doing before he created time. In an oscillatory universe, time extends infinitely far into both past and future. And once again emerges the conceptual difficulty Burbidge noted with reference to the classical version.

“Most astronomers really didn’t like the steady-state,” he said. “They liked evolution. And there were a few who had some [observational] basis in not liking it, but many of them didn’t like it probably for philosophical reasons.”

The smoking gun of cosmic microwaves

The general consensus in favor of the bang, though, is not overtly philosophical. Rather, the issues pointed to by SCM adherents are much more pragmatic, such as its predictive power in explaining the cosmic microwave background radiation, or CMBR.

“The CMBR’s origin in the big bang is about as well attested as anything in astronomy, these days,” said Matthew Colless, the director of the Anglo-Australian Observatory in Epping, Australia. The CMBR is the omnipresent energy signature generally understood to be the faded remnants of the fireball itself. Its discovery in 1965 signaled the end, for most cosmologists, of steady-state theories. The feeling was that the smoking gun of the big bang had been discovered, a sense that has not diminished as new and finer tests of the CMBR have come in.

“The Wilkinson microwave anisotropy probe satellite, the latest in a long line of CMBR experiments, has returned data of exquisite quality that are in beautiful agreement with big-bang theory,” Colless said.

Alternative models also seek to account for the CMBR, as they must do with redshift, the relative abundances of the elements, and other lines of information. Still, supporters feel the convergence of data upon the standard model has passed the point whereby it merits general acceptance. Like the theory of natural selection, too many data sources converge on the same conclusion for it to be written off without considerable strain.

“The data and theory are in such good agreement that, for example, the age of the universe is estimated to be 13.7 billion years with an uncertainty of less than 0.2 billion years — a figure in good agreement with the latest estimates based on old stars,” Colless said.

“That’s not to say that everything is understood, but the basic paradigm is in excellent shape and has now passed such a wide range of tests that any theory that replaced it would have to look, in most essentials, very similar indeed.”

And therein lies the rub. As long as the data fit multiple theories, as long as no critical prediction is disconfirmed, there can be no definitive judgment on alternative cosmologies. Some, such as steady-state models, may die the death of scientific indifference with the passing of their last promoters. But their progeny may continue to evolve, adopting the SCM’s strengths but chipping away at its perceived weaknesses. Indeed, like the timeless cosmos some posit, anti-bang theories may continue indefinitely, hovering in the background of mainstream cosmology and serving, if nothing else, as a reminder of the provisional nature of discovery.

William Orem is science editor at Science & Theology News.



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Smile Re: Big Bang? - 08-06-2006, 07:56 AM

I see the universe as an eternal entity,although i do not dismiss the big bang
theory out of hand.To me the universe operates in grand cycles of being
"switched" on,and then being "switched" off!

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Re: Big Bang? - 08-06-2006, 12:18 PM

The real question in cosmology is “are we interpreting what we observe in the correct manner?”
If we interpret what we observe and think of space as a metric as in General Relativity, we peer into space and observe that the most distant galaxies have greater redshifts than the galaxies closer to our galaxy. We also have to make up little theories to explain these high redshifts and add that to General Relativity, like dark matter and dark energy, but what are we actually looking at?
The notion of time is lost in all the accepted theories of space and none deal with the flow or arrow of time so is cosmology wrong?
Most people and the science community agree that the speed of light is constant no matter what inertial frame it is viewed from. If this is correct, which I believe it is, then every time we peer into space we must be looking back in time.
You can never see anything in your own real time because it always takes light time to travel from an object into your eyes. The light from the monitor on which you are reading this sentence from has taken a fraction of a second to reach your eyes. When you peer up at the moon you are looking at it as it was about 1.3 seconds ago. When you look at the Sun you see it as it was about 8.3 minutes ago because that’s how long it has taken the light to reach your eyes.
Using exactly the same logic, when we peer at a distant galaxy we are looking back in time and seeing that galaxy in the position it was and moving at that particular speed, as it was billions of years ago. If we could see it in real time it would not be in that position or moving at that velocity today. The universe is a gigantic time machine because the speed of light is constant so by cosmologists using distance and thinking of space as a metric are they looking at cosmology in the right way?
The need for dark energy has arisen because according to cosmology the universe is expanding. The more distant galaxies is the greater the redshift but logically we can only see these galaxies as they were billions of years ago so using logic the Universe must be slowing down not speeding up because we see these galaxies at an early stage of their development when they were moving faster in the distant past than galaxies do today.
Then comes the old reply of ‘but its cosmological redshift’ where it’s the expansion of space that causes the large redshifts in the wavelength of light, but are they right?
Nature is a funny thing it likes to keep things simple and only ever provides one solution for one phenomenon. If an object moves away from us we see its light reshifted, if its moving towards us we see its light blueshifted, but the speed of light always remains the same. The light we receive from distant galaxies is a snapshot of the properties of that galaxy as it was in the distant past. If it has a high redshift then it was moving at high velocity in the distant past. Redshift carries no data about the distance of a galaxy, only its relative velocity.
Cosmological redshift is a bolt on the same as dark energy and dark matter.
I believe the big bang happened and my research of True relativity tells me the big bang was the result of a collapsing negative universe and a rebound from infinity.
I have modelled the big bang from moments before it happened, through the event of the big bang itself past our present day and well into the future, using only geometry and the ideal gas law. This places the event of big bang at around 1 x 10-69 seconds and the model tells me that redshift is purely a result of velocity and that light is a time probe that reveals only information about the object when the photon was emitted. You may not agree with me but in my opinion cosmology has the picture of our universe completely wrong.
  
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Re: Big Bang? - 08-06-2006, 02:53 PM

Hi Tony;
I find that if light were indeed a photon, then red shift due to Doppler effect would be the only solution. However I believe light is only a wave in a medium and as the medium expands, its spatial density decreases and causes wavelengths to become longer.

What I find interesting is that scientist claim red shift due to expansion but deny the existence of a medium or ether theory. Our science has many error that need to be addressed. A true fundamental paradigm would help.
I tend to view the BB as a collision of fundamental matter but your concept is also a valid scenario.

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The “No Beginning” concept is one I find to be the most probable.



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I agree with you Tony,cosmology has got it all wrong!The universe operates
very nicely in a cyclitic rotation of ideated intention?

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Re: Big Bang? - 08-06-2006, 07:51 PM

This first part is for Tony, I am no scientist or Astronomer, but I did in a lecture of one who stated something very interesting. He stated that in space where we can observe there are new stars popping out of nowhere which shows evidence that new stars are being born, and if my memory serve me correct some of there new stars are in closer proximity than others, is this shows evidence that not all stars are being viewed from 1000 years ago, that some are relatively new.

For eveyone else. I do believe in a way that Universe or our Universe has a beginning. There is a theory that our Sun and Planets in our solar system rotates around another central Sun, and that Sun rotates around another, and so on and so forth. But then maybe the Universe has no beginning, it would not be a new thought of no beginning, we have thought of an entity that has no beginning and end, maybe the Universe is connected to that entity. But as we see, ways of thought shift in every age. I can remember when I was a youngster, the thought that the Universe is expanding just had became popular, and now it is moving on to something else, and it will con tinue to shift. This is the mystery that must exist in order for us to continue to strive. It gives us something to go after.


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This first part is for Tony, I am no scientist or Astronomer, but I did in a lecture of one who stated something very interesting. He stated that in space where we can observe there are new stars popping out of nowhere which shows evidence that new stars are being born, and if my memory serve me correct some of there new stars are in closer proximity than others, is this shows evidence that not all stars are being viewed from 1000 years ago, that some are relatively new.

For eveyone else. I do believe in a way that Universe or our Universe has a beginning. There is a theory that our Sun and Planets in our solar system rotates around another central Sun, and that Sun rotates around another, and so on and so forth. But then maybe the Universe has no beginning, it would not be a new thought of no beginning, we have thought of an entity that has no beginning and end, maybe the Universe is connected to that entity. But as we see, ways of thought shift in every age. I can remember when I was a youngster, the thought that the Universe is expanding just had became popular, and now it is moving on to something else, and it will con tinue to shift. This is the mystery that must exist in order for us to continue to strive. It gives us something to go after.
That makes sense to me,Louis13,all will be revealed later?
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Re: Big Bang? - 08-07-2006, 05:53 AM

Hi all,

It is the constant obsession with distance that’s makes cosmology think in the wrong direction. Louis13 is correct, stars are constantly being made by the collapse of hydrogen gas as described by the James Jeans equation. This happens within galaxies but cosmology deals with distant galaxies and we can only see them as they were millions or billions of years ago because it takes the light they emit that long to reach us. The speed of light is finite so we see them as they were then, not as they are now.

If cosmology were just to view the universe from the point of view of time, not distance, they would have a clearer understanding of how the universe works. No light that reaches your eyes has travelled in an instant. It always takes time to travel so the further away the object is, the longer it takes the light to reach your eyes. Because the speed of light is finite your eyes are peering into the past, always. How far you can look back is only limited by the technology we use to view the universe.

In my opinion the old chestnut of the Aether has been investigated by many experiments over the years and no Aether has ever been found but R.T. Cahill from Flinders University in Australia has re-looked at the data from these experiments and has found a turbulent flow of space in towards our Sun. He believes this provides some proof that the Aether does exist but I still disagree. Space is not empty. It has a fair amount of dust and gas in it. This dust and gas will be caught in the gravity field of the Sun and will be moving towards the Sun.

If the presence of energy does generate a quantum space-time field around itself as proclaimed by True Relativity then the quantum space-time fields emitted by this dust and gas will naturally be moving towards the Sun with the particles of dust and gas and will give the appearance of a flow of space in towards the Sun. This flow would be turbulent because gravity is a localised force and does not work over infinite distance as believed by the science community.

Although R.T. Cahill doesn’t realise it, he provides some of the evidence that True Relativity may be correct.

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Re: Big Bang? - 09-27-2006, 07:40 AM

Hi everybody, this is what I think about the Big Bang model of the universe.

This quote is just to show my general ideas about this, and thanks to everyone that has posted before me, this is an extremely informative thread

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The Big Bang

Introduction
This theory describes the supposed creation of the whole universe.

We have not yet managed to prove whether or not there was actually a beginning to the universe, nor have we proved if there will eventually be an end.

Singular
The big bang is a model of everything that imagines a singular point in time when the universe began.

Distant
It suggests that at some point in the extremely distant past, all the matter and energy in what we now know as the universe was once concentrated into an unimaginably dense state.

Original
This original state is usually described as a singularity.

Contract
According to this model, at some relative time in the future the universe will eventually contract back into the dense nothingness from which it came.

Return
It will return to an original and singular state.

Crunch
This idea is known as the "big crunch."

Expanding
It is currently accepted by many that the universe is still expanding from this original singularity.

Cosmic
Cosmic background radiation implies that we can still detect radiation travelling through the universe from the same event, even though it supposedly happened countless millions of years ago.

Emanating
Red light emanating from distant galaxies implies that they are moving away from us and blue light implies the opposite.

Shifted
Red shifted light has been observed and this eventually lead to the idea that the universe seems to be expanding, or at least moving away from our relative point of reference at the current moment.

Summary
Is the universe currently expanding from an original singularity?

Is there a definite and singular beginning and end to the universe?

The Problem
Did some sort of massive explosion create the universe?

The Answer

Energy
All energy (everything) is not unchangingly "created" or "destroyed" it is changed.

Whole
The universe as a relative whole is change and as such a more accurate definition cannot be achieved.

Observable
You might say that change is the only observable property of the universe that doesn't change, so to speak.

Expanding
The universe may currently appear to be expanding but this is a relative observation that is subject to change of three types in three ways simultaneously.

Relative
Even if the universe seems to be moving away from us we must not forget that our earthly view is ultimately relative.

Unchangeable
There is no singular and unchangeable start or finish to our universe, there is change of three potentials, at all relative times.

Did a "big bang" create the universe?
1. A big bang created the universe.
2. A big bang did not create the universe.
3. There is a neutral possibility.

Simultaneously.

Am I wrong?
I simultaneously oppose, agree with, and neutralise all criticism ad infinitum.

My point is literal.

There is no point creating a theory of everything that doesn't work.
I've directly quoted this text from my home page www.protheory.com to get the discussion started about the idea of a "big bang" creating the universe and therefore "everything."

What do you guys think about my three simultaneous potentials idea?


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Re: Big Bang? - 09-27-2006, 11:31 AM

I agree there is no point in creating a theory that doesn’t work. Any theory of this Universe should be mathematically testable and if it is correct then it should never break down at the extremes of this universe. Unfortunately General Relativity and all other well known theories do break down at the extremes, especially at the Big Bang.
Mathematically True Relativity does not break down at the Big Bang or inside black holes but the physics community still ignores it, why?
The reason is simple. It is because the physics they have all been taught will need to be completely revised. They all will have to dump their so called knowledge because it does not agree with what they believe to be true.
The majority of the science community are hard working and creative but the way our science is structured means innovation is stifled because even if experimental evidence shows some anomaly against known physics, it gets the cold shoulder by the establishment.
I will take the example of the Irish company who came up with a way of generating power using only magnetic fields. Apparently the technology works and the scientists who tested it agreed that it works, in private, but refused to go on record because the result of gaining energy from nothing goes against known physics and they are frightened of being shunned by their peers. This is no way to conduct science in general. If the results show that energy can be created this way then there is a reason why? A true scientist would want to find out the reason. You can’t just dismiss the experimental evidence because the results shatter your belief in known physics and you are frightened of upsetting your peers.
I know this happens because many registered physicists have read True Relativity but are unwilling to comment on it, let alone actually test it. Why? Is it because all their fundamental beliefs will be shattered or the fact, in accepting True Relativity, they will be shunned and ridiculed by their peers? It’s sad to see science done this way.