[socratus]

Now it is consider that Newton / Einstein,s laws
of gravitation are the first laws of Universe.
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1.
Newton was a clever man therefore when he discovered his
" law of gravitation" he quickly understood that
soon or later the all matter in the Universe had to gather
in the " singular point".
And because this effect does not happen in the Nature,
Newton , being very religius man , thought that only God,s
power did not give the matter to gather in a " singular point".
2.
And then atheistic time came .
They decided :
As God does not exist, so the all matter in Universe
must gather in a " singular point".
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I don,t agree that Newton / Einstein,s laws
of gravitation are the first laws of Universe.
Why?
1.
Take simple atom: proton and electron,( small distances).
Nobody interests in gravitation interaction between
proton and electron . There is not any theory about
gravitation interaction between proton and electron .
Everybody interests only in electrical ( nuclear)
interaction between them.
It means that Newton / Einstein,s laws of gravitation
are local and limited.
This law in the small ( nuclear) distance does not work.
2.
Take Universe ( cosmic distances).
There is not theory about gravitation interaction between
galaxy A. and galaxy Z. We don,t need it.
Why? For example.
Let,s imagine of all apple- trees on our Earth
as a galaxy, and apples as stars.
Nobody will interest in the interaction between
an apple- tree in New York ( galaxy A.) and
an apple- tree (cherry-tree) in Varanasi (galaxy Z.).
It means that Newton / Einstein,s laws of gravitation
are local and limited.
This law in the big cosmic distance does not work.
3.
Conclusion.
Newton / Einstein,s laws of gravitation cannot be
“The first law of Universe.”
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What can be the first law of Universe?
1.
All galaxyies (gravitation fields) exist in Vacuum (T=0K)
therefore Vacuum can be “The first law of Universe.”
Then we must ask questions:
" How is it possible to break homogeneous
and symmetric Vacuum: T=0K ?”,
“How in Vacuum could gravitation fields be created?”,
“How in Vacuum can the process of star formation begin?”
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If somebody doubt that from cold Vacuum T=0K
the hot stars can be created, please, remember that
The Second law of thermodynamics does not forbid this possibility.

[mkirkpatrick]

The first law is the primal principle,that has within itself all the other universal laws,and is
the product of focussed intention.Through the process of involution.this primal principle
inrolled and motioned outward from the primal atom,(the singularity) until there was a
momentary pause,at this point,involution ended,and evolution began.
"How in a vacuum could gravatation fields be created"?The answer to this question lies I
feel in the understanding of Ying and Yang,the positive and negitive vortexes of all exist-
-ance!Gravity can only exist "within" the double embrace of these two forces,without the
double vortex,gravity cannot exist.
"How in vacuum can the process of star formation begin"? What do we really understand
a vacuum to be?To me it is totally full of ether.And that has within it all the ingrediants that you would need to form a star!
Rotation and mindblowing spin,assorts many elements to coalase and form bodies.Which
in turn form stars and planets.

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by socratus What can be the first law of Universe? 1. All galaxyies (gravitation fields) exist in Vacuum (T=0K) therefore Vacuum can be “The first law of Universe.” Then we must ask questions: " How is it possible to break homogeneous and symmetric Vacuum: T=0K ?”, “How in Vacuum could gravitation fields be created?”, “How in Vacuum can the process of star formation begin?” =================== If somebody doubt that from cold Vacuum T=0K the hot stars can be created, please, remember that The Second law of thermodynamics does not forbid this possibility.

You are correct, Socratus. The first law of the universe must be thermodynamic motion___all other laws follow from this prime law of first motion. The original, infinite, eternal void energy/matter thermo-hydro-dynamically self-created first motion___this idea is thermodynamically scientifically correct___the entire universe is nothing more than an infinite eternal weather system, containing all the currents and forces of nature___including first star creation___self-created by this original first motion and it's resulting law___thermo-hydro-dynamics is self-required to do so... It's nothing more than the standard laws of physics and thermodynamics combined... All of physics and science points in this direction___just realize motion creates all the other four forces of nature/science___first motion is the key___and it is infinite/eternal, and justified by all the laws of physics! I don't know, but gravity may be the equilibrium force between the void's infinite cold, and space's finite heat___possible...? I know it, at the least, has much to do with it, as it is of the original absolutely fundamental motion/motions... What is cold...? Is it a separate force with no molecular structure___What is cold? What is cold...? Is there infinite cold, beyond finite space light, and its apparrent light speed reach...? Truly, what is cold...?

regards

[Rybo]

There is no first law or last law. Sequentiality of cosmic laws/principles is an error of presumption. Cosmic laws overlap, never contradict and are inviolate( eternal ).

Rybo

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Rybo There is no first law or last law. Sequentiality of cosmic laws/principles is an error of presumption. Cosmic laws overlap, never contradict and are inviolate( eternal ). Rybo

Then why is there a first star of the many? Why is there continually more stars of the finite many? Do they sequentially exist or not? The laws of physics evolve in stages, just as there was a period of no stars, no life, no death, only changes of motions of energy/matter. Surely you realize bio-life was an evolutionary stage of new laws? Oh where is science when you need it? In the illusionary devil's den? Laws are not eternal, they evolve, just as we do, from the simple to the complex, from the complex to the simple___it's a Darwinian universe___DNA proves it___a quantum physicist, Watson, was half the team that invented the double helix___the laws of life could not exist before the biosphere___no container___the laws of life evolved with the real and absolute evolution of the biosphere___they did not exist before.

regards

[mkirkpatrick]

Lloyd you are mistaken when you say "the laws of life evolved with the real and absolute
evolution of the biosphere-they did not exist before"end quote,The first law of the
universe is the Principle of life,which is eternal and absolute.
And this LIfe was and always has been in existance,and is completely and totally independant of any biosphere.

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Lloyd you are mistaken when you say "the laws of life evolved with the real and absolute evolution of the biosphere-they did not exist before"end quote,The first law of the universe is the Principle of life,which is eternal and absolute. And this LIfe was and always has been in existance,and is completely and totally independant of any biosphere. regards michael.

Sorry Michael, but I know that's pure religious BS. The infinite quantum state of absolute cold, before first star, still rules all principles of life and laws of physics. Prove your point differently, other than just religiously stating so... The illusions of the mind are infinite...

regards

[mkirkpatrick]

Wrong again Lloyd,it is you that is blind,to the point that it beggers belief?It has absolutely
nothing to do with religion Lloyd,I am not religous,nor do I practise any of them?But it has
everything to do with REALITY which you seem totally unaquainted with,almost to the point of the being neanderthal in understanding and realization of the unfolding principles
of the life expression.You are obviously entrenched in your misguided understanding of
reality,even a nuclear explosion at close range would not shift that rigidity.

regards michael.

[Eric]

The first law is "there is" with no "is not".

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Eric The first law is "there is" with no "is not".

"There is" what, Eric...?

regards,