Universe in macro and micro terms

[use]

Hi everybody,

I would like someone who is more skilful then me to read the following sentences and let me know about opinion on it

Let us assume that all the Universe ( Universe as a whole, space in macro and micro terms ) is our perception ( based on interpretation on our instruments and our general logic ).Let us then assume that we consider macro and micro levels basicaly as the same thing ( actualy it is in principle just space either though we do not have an idea how small micro level can be or how big macro level can be ).Also do not forget that all the basic facts we persistantly follow about Universe ( mass, energy, time, forces, space ) stand firm.If we apply our knowledge it would seem that dominacy of individual dominant forces of Universe ( forces which are part of so-called unified force theory ) are more or less strongly dependent whether they act in micro or macro levels.If we go back to our assumed Universe the only thing which could explain this dependence on volume of space ( micro or macro ) in which they act would be that basicaly forces do not differ one to each other and all have one same parameter ( which I think is time parameter but I will will go back to that later ).Further more in our assumed Universe with macro and micro levels going bigger ( measuring even beyond Universe- and smaller we could find even other forces then the ones we know and which are dominant in the space ( macro or micro ) they act.However either though all the new found forces actualy comply with our general scientific knowledge it would make sense to take them in consideration for unified force theory only if we could prove that there is end to it- I think that actualy we will not be able to find an end because at one point ( maybe theoreticaly for the observer who is out of any micro or macro levels ) " all the bigger macro level space " and " all the smaller micro level space " come together- this point we will never reach however as far as observer who is out of any micro or macro levels is concerned Universe is largely shaped according to that particular point.

As far as the time is concerned in our assumed Universe for the outer observer looking and measuring events at all space levels time would seemed to be as a unified force itself.Detection of information - every detection is connected with time parameter which basicaly is what we do about time and let us imagine that the outer observer has same principle- for outer observer ( let us also imagine that the observer has the same general opinion on space, time, mass, energy and forces ) lead him/her or whatever to believe that ( if not knowing about any paralel Universes or maybe they do not exist at all ) total sum of informations in our assumed Universe is constant ( macro and micro levels come together ).For the outer observer this total sum as constant factor which basicaly speaks about time in our assumed Universe ( let us say that at the moment we rule out possible interactions with possible other " Universes " therefore we assume that our assumed Universe is a " closed thing " and we can talk about it freely) is actualy time/space cohesion with time as a most dominant issue in explaining forces which are part of the so-called unified force theory and by that keeping a major role on influencing mass distribution and mass/energy interaction and consecutively shaping our assumed Universe.


best regards,

use

[lodestar]

I think you might be right use. I'll put your quotes and then tell you what I think

.However either though all the new found forces actualy comply with our general scientific knowledge it would make sense to take them in consideration for unified force theory only if we could prove that there is end to it- I think that actualy we will not be able to find an end because at one point ( maybe theoreticaly for the observer who is out of any micro or macro levels ) " all the bigger macro level space " and " all the smaller micro level space " come together- this point we will never reach however as far as observer who is out of any micro or macro levels is concerned Universe is largely shaped according to that particular point.

Nicely put! I believe the point which you are referring to where the macro and micro levels come together is the point where you cross the speed of light. That is where time/space undergoes inversal and so big becomes small and visa versa. It's like what happened at the big bang, and is similar to what will happen inevitably whenever the universe keeps expanding and reaches an absolute point of expansion. What do you think? The only thing I disagree is that we cannot cross over this point.

As far as the time is concerned in our assumed Universe for the outer observer looking and measuring events at all space levels time would seemed to be as a unified force itself.Detection of information - every detection is connected with time parameter which basicaly is what we do about time and let us imagine that the outer observer has same principle- for outer observer ( let us also imagine that the observer has the same general opinion on space, time, mass, energy and forces ) lead him/her or whatever to believe that ( if not knowing about any paralel Universes or maybe they do not exist at all ) total sum of informations in our assumed Universe is constant ( macro and micro levels come together ).

I would agree that the total sum of information in eternity is constant, 1/0. I would also agree that time would seem to be as a unified force itself, 1/0. The force of time over time is absolute, and thus the amount of energy contained in time is also 1/0. So the point which you are talking about is 1/0. What do you think? That is the proof that there is an end but of course it is an endless end, because 1/0 is more than an infinite value (greater than the speed of light).

-lodestar

[use]

Hi Lodestar,

it is very brave and it stands on a solid ground as an explination that there is space/time inversal possibility at the point where inevitably macro and micro levels come together however I do not think that at that point you cross speed of light.As far as the assumed Universe is concerned it is very important to look at it from the outer observer point of view and compare it with the inside Universe point of view in order to clarify or justify any event we try to put as a fact but we should focus ( and there is a very good explination why ) more on the outer observer perception.From the outer observer perception speed of light does not have so much of significance because time looks like a unified force itself ( look for the explinations I wrote on that in second part of my first post ).There are many serious consequences of claiming that for the outer observer time looks like as a unified force itself, for example

From the outer observer point of view we should have no problem to measure mass distribution in the Universe according to the model which includes micro&macro encounter point ( however our technology and instruments are unable yet to measure or speculate on the mass distribution, one of the reasons is that there is no proper Universe model )


As far as the information issue is concerned basicaly I agree with your comments however here we should put information issue on the upper level of consideration ( actually two levels ).One of these levels is fundamentaly connected with explination on space/time relationship ( I will get back to that later ) and the other one is connected with time travel

As far as outer observer is concerned in our assumed Universe due to the fact that total sum of information is constant there should not be any time travelling ( these words however from the outer observer point of view have different meaning ), only in case the outer observer finds different dimensions ( such as for example paralel universes ) time travel would be possible but consequences could possibly be huge.As far as we are concerned in or assumed Universe the time dimension is an extension of the one continuum just as all the universe exists in the space dimension so to does all time exist in the time dimension. In our physics the difference between now and then is no different to thinking about here or there in space. They all exist at the same time. Time travel would be impossible in the same time dimension however it would be possible in other time dimensions ( implication on traveling in other time dimensions are quite remarkable )- it would mean that, if time travel technology will not be capable of solving traveling safely between time dimensions ( I am talking about theory from our point of view in our assumed Universe ), there could be no travelers ( humans ) from other time dimensions detectable to us.


regards,

use